HAVEN’T YOU SEEN SHAWSHANK???

I’ve never been to prison but there always seems to be a story in the newspapers obviously im not saying they’re definately accurate or true i’m not stupid but i believe there must be some truth to them. Murderers getting halloween parties, christmas dinners the works. it makes me absoloutely sick with anger! Some justice that is huh. Ruby wax is doing a show at a top security mental hospital supposedly. Its really beyond me why any prisoners of that kind get any sort of rights. Why the hell should TAX PAYERS pay to give them christmas dinner with all the trimmings or a party for halloween or for ruby wax to go make them all laugh(i doubt that but still). Its disgusting.

Adult male prisons have less bullying than 20 years ago (for someone who isn’t there for being a nonce). But they are boring, unpleasant, dirty places to be. YOI’s (age 14-21) are bad for bullying and racism as the youths all want to prove something.

Girls and womens prisons are harsher than those for blokes.

A lot of people end up in NHS mental hospital instead of prison for doing too many drugs and being stubborn about not stopping them, (happened to a few other local ravers, especially girls) – others (mostly lads) end up in jail because they are mentally ill and they weren’t able to control impulsive behaviour

The Daily Mail stories arise because the way prisons are allocated has changed. All prisons, even high security ones, are full of low level offenders, just people like you and me who tried to make easy money by dealing and didn’t have a good lawyer or were from whatever ethnic group isn’t popular at the time of sentencing. They have to be on the wing with murderers, rapists and all sorts, and they don’t always get to give out “prison justice” as not all the scum are elderly nonces, some are physically strong and capable of defending themselves.

Also those who take matters into their own hands can see a 4 year sentence go up to 12 years, like a pill dealer round here who knifed someone who had allegedly been bullying him in jail.

My friend who went down is black and he met someone who was in for killing three black men in the 1970s when he was in the NF. The killer said “I’m not racist any more though” and they got on surprisingly well, but I think it was still a uneasy situation as the impression he gave was the murderer didn’t see my friend as an enemy, but felt no real remorse for the 3 other black guys he killed..

The govt did use to put worse criminals in more secure prisons with harsher régimes but as they insist on sending people down for low level drugs offences to the nearest prison where they live the prisons are all full of all sorts. so its very difficult to not give some prisoners priveliges but deny others unless there has been misbehaviour..

TBH if you aren’t a mindless violent thug, are in full time work, don’t rob other peoples property and don’t deal drugs (even if you occasionally use them) its actually really difficult to get sent to prison these days.

I do know a fair few people who have been in but in most cases they accept they crossed the line with regard to either theft from or violence against individuals, or just repeatedly taking the piss out of the law…

JRGiger ,
Thats easy to say , unless you’ve been a victim of crime then maybe you would have a different view !!!!! .

regards
mungo
ps not saying you havent been a victim of crime just you could see how people might think like that had they been a victim

@mungo1972 408752 wrote:

JRGiger ,
Thats easy to say , unless you’ve been a victim of crime then maybe you would have a different view !!!!! .

regards
mungo
ps not saying you havent been a victim of crime just you could see how people might think like that had they been a victim

That’s exactly the point I’m making
Justice has become revenge instead
Throw someone in a jail, they likely arent gonna have much of a life after that anyway.That criminal records gonna ruin any attempts at a career or their dream or anything. Not to mention that you’ll basically become a prime suspect anything happens in your area, dont even get me started on sex offenders rights or execution.

@1984 408766 wrote:

well said Sir.

The American legal system is fucking terrible, they lock up more people than any other country in the world. Land of the free my arse.

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yndfqN1VKhY[/YT]

I do have a criminal record – I’ve only been arrested a few times for various drugs/squat related things, and got two cautions for drugs, although with hindsight I did things in my 20s what could easily have got me time. Even these cautions still come up on my Enhanced CRB (I work for a healthcare company) and I know that in a competitive jobs market they count against me and I’ve been lucky.

I had to explain this upfront to some people in a community group I am joining (they plan to make small scale renewable energy systems to educate kids and youths) – they were OK about it but I could still understand if they didn’t want me to contribute as many have teenage children of their own and although they have liberal views have to still discourage their kids from drugs whilst they remain illegal.

I saw my punishment as not being simply for my drug use, but for selfishness as well – I have no real right to disobey a law I disagree with when it has been voted for by worldwide consensus, and by taking illegal drugs I was still funding a culture which in recent times has sparked off as much violent crime and anti-social behaviour as boozing (I have seen this at first hand) even if I did not take part in it myself.

@mungo1972 408768 wrote:

Hi JRGiger ,
Yep that last bit is a very emotive subject !!! , no i see what your saying . I guess your right , those that get crimminal records could easily end up on a slippery slide down as they cant get a job and improve their lifes . Having never been there i guess its hard for me to see that side of it . And i thank my lucky stars that i have never seen that side of life ……there for the grace of god their go i and all that .

Regards
Mungo

It’s not that I find it sensitive subject, they’re just treated so much more worse than others.

I got a caution when i was 17 for about £5 worth of weed off a dickhead copper. Im pretty certain that it will come back to haunt me at some point in my life. I havent even told my mum i got it. Guess i havent because it will only scare her even more, she hates the fact i go raving and do drugs anyway.

As for going to prison, i fucking hope i never end up there. Although im sure ill do things which could land me inside if i have alot of a bad luck and a harsh judge. I reckon this is the case for most people tho, hardly anyone is squeeky clean.

@`Matt 408863 wrote:

I got a caution when i was 17 for about £5 worth of weed off a dickhead copper. Im pretty certain that it will come back to haunt me at some point in my life.

Where I work that it wouldn’t count against you much as an offence of theft or violence, though if you got the job you’d have to prove you were trustworthy and would probably have to be supervised until the management would be 100% sure you weren’t tempted to divert supplies as there are controlled drugs stored on the premises.

One word of advice to anyone is if you apply for a job with CRB, be 100% honest.

Where I work they do employ people with non-blank CRBs (otherwise I’d never have got my job :wink:) but if someone lies about it and something comes up they are sacked straight away – lying is worse than making a mistake in life earlier and being sorry for it.