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August 31, 2006 at 5:54 pm #1039068
are they good, or bad?
do they play an important role in conservation?
are they important for city people to see animals?
August 31, 2006 at 6:04 pm #1088140right zoos are wrong,wrong wrong wrong…got that..good.if we are lucky enough to go to africa or some other country an see a elephant,lion,tiger,whatever then ace….but to put a animal in a cage for us to point an gorp at ..its sick…we have films with these beautiful animals to see we have photgraphs an pictures … wht the fuk do we need to ship animals out of their natural habitat for its madness….this all stems from the victorian times but in this day in age it certainly isnt accepted…like circus s i boycott them an my kids aint ever been an not to zoo s either…its my view….i would much rather see these animals living free we have that right…well most of us…why should animals be locked up for our entertainment………………..think most people agree….x
i love panda s,tigers,lions,gorillas, elephants,an they are so close to being made extinct cos of mankind…only he aint kind…
raaaAugust 31, 2006 at 6:19 pm #1088135traditional zoos with large animals in cages should not be permitted in this day and age.
However, I think it is permissible, and even desirable for those who have land and resources to use it for captive breeding and conservation programmes provided the animals have as close to the same conditions they would have in their wild habitat.
There are lots of places in England where creatures recovered from badly run zoos or orphaned due to habitat destruction are brought together to live and breed. There are chimps in the Swansea valleys, Sumatran Tigers in Kent forests, Wolves in West Berkshire…
Most are actually licensed as “zoos” (as that is the official term for any enclosure containing non-native animals that are not normally kept as pets or livestock) but are more often large enclosed areas (you would not after all want tigers to be running about in the roads and villages!) instead of cages.
you can often visit them but they are not the sort of places where they sell tickets for any old chav to stare at the creatures and annoy them – its a matter of writing a proper letter to the owners and telling them why you want to visit etc..
At the moment we have created a world where the capitalist economy forces many countries to destroy the natural habitats of creature; so if another country can relocate and properly look after breeding pairs in acceptable conditions that may be the only way of preserving some species – as otherwise if we left it all to “market forces” it may be too late.
August 31, 2006 at 6:50 pm #1088141i ranted on there…im passionate about stuff yer know .i care… mankind isnt all bad just the money obsessed people an cruel people……
August 31, 2006 at 6:52 pm #1088153Zoos are wrong but animal sanctuaries and wildlife reserves are good. Like if they need help then help them… if they are becoming extinct we can help them breed… but dont force them…. and and and why’d you want to exploit the poor animals anyway…. but then I guess if you eat meat… you wouldn’t really care anyway. Public vote. Zoos win.
August 31, 2006 at 7:00 pm #1088142animal santuaries an stuff like that of course i support…an concervation work..the question was zoo s ….i eat meat…. i care…
August 31, 2006 at 7:01 pm #1088143about animals…
August 31, 2006 at 7:03 pm #1088154Would you eat a seal or a lion?
August 31, 2006 at 7:08 pm #1088144i know what your saying an maybe its hypocritical to an extent but..its the same old argument init…we dont eat seals of lions…we eat chicken,fish, etc we have teeth to chem meat we re meat eaters we need it as a source of protein…my husband was a vegie so i know both sides an we had to cook seperate foods cos of it pain in the arse really but i respect his views on not killing animals but zoo s is a complete different subject…you cant say its the same thats not fair…..
August 31, 2006 at 7:38 pm #1088138i don’t like zoos
they depress me
exxept if i get to see a flying lama badger
August 31, 2006 at 7:39 pm #1088147ok thats some intreasting views
the reason i asked the question is cos i was at a zoo the other day. (bad i know) and there was this beatiful sumarian tiger, just pacing up and down.
now these creatures are born in the wild and are just exploited and tormented in the zoo. it was horrilble!but what about insects and reptails? those animals who just want to eat and sleep. (Now that does sound fermilier!) They get an easy life, is it okay to keep them?
with regards to extintion, we are the most dominate species on the planet as well as rats and moskitos. But nobody is bothered about the rats!!
rat catchers kill them indiscriminatly but no one gives a shit
I say Save the RATS !!!!!!!!!!!
PS I cant spell
August 31, 2006 at 7:39 pm #1088148also, april………is that a sniffing tit?
August 31, 2006 at 7:44 pm #1088139TommyT wrote:also, april………is that a sniffing tit?i think you’ll find it a needle sharp nipple
August 31, 2006 at 7:59 pm #1088145yes globalloons right…:love:
i feel sorry for anything kept in a cage thats snake s an lizards, parrots, spiders.etc…
rats are piogens are vemin…carry diseases i dont mind them being blasted of the earth….in a humain way tho….lol!August 31, 2006 at 8:07 pm #1088149so its just animals that you like?
what about my other question?
August 31, 2006 at 8:21 pm #1088136TommyT wrote:I say Save the RATS !!!!!!!!!!!http://www.chakramike.clara.co.uk/
there is a wildlife sanctuary in the North which has a rat enclosure and they even have their own shower/waterfall thing made from garden hose!
August 31, 2006 at 8:29 pm #1088150hahaha
that is great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im gonna join!!!!
August 31, 2006 at 10:21 pm #1088155I don’t care if people eat meat, your choice, we’re only human. Every other animal or sea creature who eats meat does.
Zoos are part of human learning… kind of like cloning, fighting, and killing.
It’s human nature. We’re just curious and because we can we will.
Get me?I had six rats… they’re beautiful creatures… clever too! They learn not to piss on they’re bedding!!!! Ha ha
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September 1, 2006 at 8:43 am #1088146Im Not sure on this one,on one hand its good to know that an endangered species is being looked after on the other its a shame they/it have to live in a bedsit.
September 1, 2006 at 9:33 am #1088156Insanity wrote:Zoos are part of human learning… kind of like cloning, fighting, and killing.Since when have we ever learned anything? we still fight and kill. and persist in research into things like cloning and stem cell research (which i am still trying to figure out my moral standing on atm).
zoos are bad. but safaris are generally really bad for the animals too. jeeps disrupt the environment too much.:hopeless:
September 1, 2006 at 11:06 am #1088151Nndy wrote:Since when have we ever learned anything? we still fight and kill. and persist in research into things like cloning and stem cell research (which i am still trying to figure out my moral standing on atm).zoos are bad. but safaris are generally really bad for the animals too. jeeps disrupt the environment too much.:hopeless:
erm well……….you are on the internet, thats something open, relativly free. Is that a good example of us learning somthing?
zoo’s were i believe started by the victorians who, love to show off. example=kew gardens. Is that a zoo for plants?
I dont like zoos, animals should be in there natural habitat, full stop.
Safaris, ive been luckly enough to have been on one, and the animals dont take any notice they are used too them, a cheeta even sat on the jeep so she could look for pray. The real issue is conservation, tourists think about conservation, but african’s are just intreasted in surviving, they do this though eco-tourisim and then learn too protect there parks etc as an income. So on the whole safari’s i think are a good thing.
Cloning and stem-cell research, well im not sure about that either. what i do know is that in the last 50 years many dieases have been wiped out or cured, in the developed world. So i think thats a postive thing.
Also on that note i have to say that Bill Gates is actually doing something good, using his money too find a cure for maleria one of the biggest killers in africa. So big up billy boy!! You know hes got more money than some countrys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ps i cant spell
September 1, 2006 at 11:22 am #1088137I read somewhere that prides of lions often wait for the jeep containing tourists to drive through and slow down herds of wildebeest and other prey; and then catch them (so they don’t have to run so fast to catch things – all cats soon learn ways of minimising effort to obtain food!)
A Zoological Gardens with insufficient space for the animals or inappropriate surroundings is an anachronism and should not exist in this day an age.
I went to Colchester Zoo some years ago and was not impressed with the cage sizes for the large animals; although I think they are now being expanded.
OTOH many zoos have sufficient space for smaller creatures including threatened species of local wildlife and preserve numbers that way (such as the re-introduction of threatened rodents to some areas).
However, a Zoological Society (i.e a group of scientists and other concerned individuals studying animals, attempting to preserve their numbers, and in some cases relocating populations threatened by habitat destruction is a Good Thing but its also expensive to run.
Often the only way it can be funded is by ticket sales to the traditional city zoo and safari park. This is the dilemma….
September 1, 2006 at 2:46 pm #1088157TommyT wrote:erm well……….you are on the internet, thats something open, relativly free. Is that a good example of us learning somthing?Safaris, ive been luckly enough to have been on one, and the animals dont take any notice they are used too them, a cheeta even sat on the jeep so she could look for pray. The real issue is conservation, tourists think about conservation, but african’s are just intreasted in surviving, they do this though eco-tourisim and then learn too protect there parks etc as an income. So on the whole safari’s i think are a good thing.
Also on that note i have to say that Bill Gates is actually doing something good, using his money too find a cure for maleria one of the biggest killers in africa. So big up billy boy!! You know hes got more money than some countrys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ps i cant spell
the internet is a dangerous ‘place’ though. rather easy to lie and deceive. i don’t. but do i? am i now? etc etc……. i’m a fan in the long term though. these things evolve.
bill gates – yeah good guy overall. i’m a windows man all the way (rather than mac – we shouldn’t get into that one here though 😉 )
still not convinced on safaris. saw article in guardian other day about a charity / organisation which is having to teach predators how to hunt and give them their aggression back because life in safari parks is too easy for them. make of it all what you will…
September 2, 2006 at 10:07 am #1088152Nndy wrote:the internet is a dangerous ‘place’ though. rather easy to lie and deceive. i don’t. but do i? am i now? etc etc……. i’m a fan in the long term though. these things evolve.bill gates – yeah good guy overall. i’m a windows man all the way (rather than mac – we shouldn’t get into that one here though 😉 )
still not convinced on safaris. saw article in guardian other day about a charity / organisation which is having to teach predators how to hunt and give them their aggression back because life in safari parks is too easy for them. make of it all what you will…
Yer sure, but people lie in the physical world as well, i suppose its just a reflection of the “real” world
dude i meant safari, like in the masai maira, Kenya
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