@Izbeckistan 561718 wrote:

Why mainstream pop post ’89 in particular ?

around that time there was a backlash from UK broadcasters against the “drugs friendly” acid house genres ; and some of the producers like Stock, Aitken and Waterman (who actually did make some OK dance tracks) started to release even worse stuff than what mainland Europe was capable of.

Also changes with radio broadcasting in the UK meant more small stations (licensed and pirates) could go on air on frequencies formerly used by the Emergency Services, and these experimented more with specialist music programming, creating a greater split between mainstream pop and specialist genres.

I also associate pop from then onwards with the overuse of “zoo format” radio where on the BBC you have some middle aged psychopath/kiddy fiddler (or a younger man trying to be such) and one or more “sidekicks” trying to be funny (but if you listen carefully you can sometimes hear the real tension between them). Then in the 90s automated playlisting arrived and everything went to shit after that.

I’m fairly certain that today anyone over age 12 who likes music will purchase it legally but will search out an online stream they like rather than listen to these idiots and big companies telling them what to purchase, which what remains of the conventional music industry is failing to realise (they are becoming a bit like those patients you get in an old peoples home who still think they are in WW II, many of these bosses are around that same age.)

@Izbeckistan 561723 wrote:

nice links, Ill post some myself at some point 🙂

I’d like that but there is no like button lol. But yeah, we should exchange some beats 😉 Sure we both have a few gems we could share

@Izbeckistan 561728 wrote:

Aye, its not for everyone. The way you view these bassy genres is the same as some people view metal; by hearing My chemical romance they bung metal, punk and emo in the same bin. Its the same vain.

Anyway heres some gypsy jazz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-BKDNBHEkE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And gypsy swing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQcYYQQWKX4
I dont know a lot about jazz or swing so it might not of been wise to allocate them into genres, you get the gist though)

This is an Icelendic heavy, psyche rock band Im into atm
DEAD SKELETONS – KINGDOM OF GOD – YouTube

More psychedelic rock:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mQcYYQQWKX4

I’ll give all these links a proper check out tomorrow, bit TOO into the heavy bass I got blaring in my ears right now lol

@The Psyentist 561721 wrote:

2. Hardstyle (but the old stuff when it was underground music, become far too commercialised now) eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=D2fDCyNSPjA Showtek have sold out and suck big time now.

Hardstyle is itself a commercialised and sanitised version of Gabba, the original faster dance genres from NL

Added to which, its been ghettoised to SLAM!FM by Hilversum (similar to BBC 1 Extra) along with all other dance genres, they only get to use the small transmitters so not everyone can listen on Band II (normal FM radio), and outside the towns 3G mobile coverage is patchy – Dutch youngsters don’t seem to get as generous data plans as we can (you need to get a business contract for those).

in a border area like the woods of Groningen anyone listening on mobile could find their connection roaming to Telekom (T-Mobile) from KPN and that (if it works at all) will cost them some Euros in roaming costs!

Also Agentschap Telecom and the other authorities will turn over a harmless old guy with a decent moustache for €10 000, so it will be even worse for younger folk who might have also some mooie pillen. Thus they are discouraged from setting up pirate stations.

So what a lot of the jongens and meisjes who like EDM do is use a ripper to hoard recordings of good streams (like PVR), and listen to the MP3 when out and about.

However SLAM!FM make this really difficult (for copyright protection reasons), you cannot avoid the reclame (advert) and the in built player isn’t that good audio quality either. And I’ve never heard new talent or a live show on there either. The other “youth stations” like 538 are all middle aged folk trying to sound cool and hip and have the most appalling selection of music (the same crap as we get here), and even a trance / house set from Armin gets transmitted at silly hours of the morning unless its the ASOT with a multiple of 100, where he ends up having to do a live show from a hotel conference room(!). On the one I saw they put a silly rope light in front of him and the desk (that was alternate blue/red and is confusing as these lamps often mean important things to radio presenters such as an open microphone) and worse, one of the Pioneer CDJs was faulty and Ørjan Nilsen had trouble with it when starting his guest set.

Ferry Corsten and Sander Van Doorn’s shows are similarly put to the graveyard slots and all of them are pre-recorded anyway (and invariably compressed twice via Hilversums soundprocessing) so folk just download them from the online sharing sites (which the DJ’s are perfectly happy with).

The real problem is music as an industry/career (as well has traditional broadcasting) has been declining for over 20 years since the Internet disrupted any limitations to the sharing of content, as those limitations also created job opportunities which have now been transferred to the IT industry.

So many musicians and producers even some fairly prominent names are doing it as a hobby whilst supporting their day to day living with a normal corporate day job (if they are lucky they might get something “creative” like marketing / advertising) and tracks are often made on laptops in spare time between “proper” work.

if you look at todays chart artists you will notice many of them are ageing – even they “boy bands” are well into their late 20s and many performers are 30/40 and above, and there are less and less new “pop stars”. There are still of course plenty of young people making music, and good music too but its returning to its traditional roots and what the music scene was like in the early to mid 1960s ( an older friend of mine, who has sadly since passed away sent me a whole load of info about East Anglia’s music scene in that era, it turns out such things as hall parties and raves in barns aren’t a new concept :laugh_at:)

Gangster rap is proving really popular here lol

@The Psyentist 561835 wrote:

Gangster rap is proving really popular here lol

Well yeah, who want to listen to some jumped up pillock blab on about all the money hes made(bank loans), bitches (hired escorts) the ‘whips’ (rented for the video) and the diamonds they wear (cut glass). It utter crap, hip hop is far better, you hip and hop to it and its all about smiles and having a good time with your girl, your friends and being a on the level guy.

@Izbeckistan 561839 wrote:

Ahh I asumed it was a term for the ‘bub bub bub’ you get in roots music.

Hence the dub plate special