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March 30, 2006 at 10:55 am #1037386
In my job I have to deal with lots of suppliers etc, banks and having recently moved I’ve had to update address details for my own bank account…
I’ve noticed recently that nearly every company I speak to which has not offshored its contact centres seems to have a call centre based in Scotland – even if their head office is in England, particularly the utilities…
Even 999 calls are answered there from fixed phones (although the example I used in the “calling for help” post was a mobile call, from a fixed line or payphone the operator usually says “Inverness connecting payphone 01632 960025 to Ambulance Control”
I read somewhere that apparently the Scottish accent is seen across the UK as the most calming and trustworthy – but is this also because its easier to drive down salary costs in Scotland due to the disappearance of the manufacturing industries?
March 30, 2006 at 2:26 pm #1069179I know a few years ago, a lot of call-centres moved to India, because of cheap labour, I guess. Friends of mine (in Reading) used to work for the corporate God that is Prudential, and a few of them lost their job because of this. I know that a lot of call cenres have moved out of India, now, so I guess they’ve gone to Scotland.
As far as the accent being calming and trustworthy, I remember when I was growing up, there was a definite standard of ‘BBC English’ which seemed to be Queen’s English, or at least upper middle class London English. Nowdays, it seems that the wider media realise that there are so many people, with so many different accents, that people can relate more to people who speak with a non-southern accent.
I also heard a few years ago, though, (and I don’t know if this is true, so please don’t take offence) that there were call centres being moved to Wales and the North because the labour costs are cheaper than down south. There used to be quite a few call centres round where I am, but now there’s none.
I applied for a job once to answer 999 calls for the ambulance service, and this was in Wokingham (a little middle class town in the South East), but I guess that the central base filters things through.
March 30, 2006 at 2:59 pm #1069172monkey monkey wrote:I know a few years ago, a lot of call-centres moved to India, because of cheap labour, I guess. Friends of mine (in Reading) used to work for the corporate God that is Prudential, and a few of them lost their job because of this. I know that a lot of call cenres have moved out of India, now, so I guess they’ve gone to Scotland.yes, racism backed by financial power won out in the end (although TBH there was confusion as you cannot expect Indian people to immediately speak British English!) – the wealthy middle englanders who make up many of the Prus customers started taking their business elsewhere – as they did when the Pru sponsored controversial films on C4 about 12 years ago.
To be fair on Redingensians its a credit to everyone that this did not end up with a BNP councillor being elected and race attacks only slightly increased (and that was after 9/11 TBH). Loads of my friends lost their jobs when this happened.
Even the Scottish call centre staff are forced to speak Standard (i.e British English) and not to use Scots words that many English people may not understand (although I would complain if I was on the phone trying to sort out a problem and was accused of havering 😉 )
As far as the accent being calming and trustworthy, I remember when I was growing up, there was a definite standard of ‘BBC English’ which seemed to be Queen’s English, or at least upper middle class London English. Nowdays, it seems that the wider media realise that there are so many people, with so many different accents, that people can relate more to people who speak with a non-southern accent.
It is called Received Pronunciation (RP) but is seen as old fashioned and patronising nowadays.
I also heard a few years ago, though, (and I don’t know if this is true, so please don’t take offence) that there were call centres being moved to Wales and the North because the labour costs are cheaper than down south. There used to be quite a few call centres round where I am, but now there’s none.
thats true, also there are less jobs for young people up there so people try and hold on to them.
when call centres were in Reading area loads of people I know worked for theese call centres…
TBH many would be caned half the time they were at work, make loads of fuck ups with customers orders and it lost their employers business. They also played games like “customer snooker” (where they would compete to see how many transfer they could do before someone hang up), “double-tap” calls (quickly pressing the answer button twice so you in fact hang up on the customer) and retaliate against people who complained
(bear in mind they have access to a lot of personal detail)There was an incident where a relative of mine complained about service from a call centre and their credit card details was used to order stuff off the net (the cops and card company stopped it happening, but it was clear it was a reprisal for the complaint)
Quote:I applied for a job once to answer 999 calls for the ambulance service, and this was in Wokingham (a little middle class town in the South East), but I guess that the central base filters things through.Indeed that is the case, operators from the telco route the calls to the nearest blue light services for the area. The central 999 operators are BT or Cable & Wireless, you woudl have been at Barkham (or Berkam from BERKshire AMbulance) Control in Wokingham.
March 30, 2006 at 3:59 pm #1069177Well I work in one of the many call centres in Scotland… lol :bigsmile:
There are loads up here, Sky, BT, T-Mobile, 3Mobile & O2 have just opened a new one and a lot of the debt recovery companies have their main call centres up here as well…
Part of my job as Team Coach is to monitor agents calls and make sure they are not using colloquialisms that non-scots customers would not understand.. Its really hard for some of the agents to stop using the words they have used all their life e.g. aye I ken being yes I know.. for some to say yes I know just feels awkward to them…
A lot of people here lost their jobs when the call centres went to India as well but now what a lot of them have done is still have the call centre here in the Uk but their out of hours service goes through to India. My sister’s bank for example if she calls them before 5.30pm then she will get someone in the Uk if she calls after that it is diverted to India. It means that companies don’t have to pay shift allowances out on Uk wages much cheaper to out source to India.
With regard to the disappearance of the manufacturing industries, I think you may have a point there GL as a lot of the older people that work at my place used to work in factories etc they see call centres as the modern version of factory work and tbh I think they’re about right..
There have been 6 new purpose built call centres built within a 30 mile radius of where I live within the past 6 mths alone!!!
March 30, 2006 at 4:15 pm #1069173Acidfairy wrote:Well I work in one of the many call centres in Scotland… lol :bigsmile:There are loads up here, Sky, BT, T-Mobile, 3Mobile & O2 have just opened a new one and a lot of the debt recovery companies have their main call centres up here as well…
I think BT 999 and the debt recovery places deliberately pick Scottish people because the apparently the accent calms down people who are stressed (I’ve noticed that media companies often tend to pick Scots reporters to report on disasters etc!)
Quote:Part of my job as Team Coach is to monitor agents calls and make sure they are not using colloquialisms that non-scots customers would not understand.. Its really hard for some of the agents to stop using the words they have used all their life e.g. aye I ken being yes I know.. for some to say yes I know just feels awkward to them…TBH the only reason that I can understand the Scots language despite having lived in Southern and Eastern England all my life is because I was once in a party crew with three Scotsmen, two from Aberdeenshire and one from Glasgow!
A lot of people here lost their jobs when the call centres went to India as well but now what a lot of them have done is still have the call centre here in the Uk but their out of hours service goes through to India. My sister’s bank for example if she calls them before 5.30pm then she will get someone in the Uk if she calls after that it is diverted to India. It means that companies don’t have to pay shift allowances out on Uk wages much cheaper to out source to India.
TBH this seems a bit fairer for everybody.
It also means the Indians also don’t have to work at odd hours (it will be their normal office hours). I hope that even if they encourage people to use standard English they do not make people put on silly accents – of course we are used to hearing people speaking English with an Indian accent nowadays in multicultural Britain; but companies which make their agents use pseudo-American accents do annoy me…
I once worked in an office with a chap who is Indian and in his late 50s – he only came to England in the 1970s.. He was ordering car insurance and ended up speaking to some chap in a Bangalore call centre and actually said
:laugh_at:”you don’t need to use that silly American accent – I know you are from (name of Indian village) – my mum and her family are from there! – if you speak decent English I will place my order (they eventually also ended up talking about cricket….)
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There have been 6 new purpose built call centres built within a 30 mile radius of where I live within the past 6 mths alone!!!I could never work in one of these places myself but I suppose they have got better these days. I’ve worked in factory/workshop environments (although perhaps a bit more high tech) and provided the staff aren’t over-pressurised they can be good to work in and produce good quality products..
March 30, 2006 at 5:47 pm #1069180Anonymousyea, i was trying to fast track my passport application last week, and i was speaking to call centre staff in scotland the whole time. they were very nice, but i had mentioned several times i was going up to london and at the last hurdle (and there were shit loads – next day my arse) they were like, so when can you be at our hull office? i was gutted. luckily, they could courier it down, but it was rather vexing at the time. nothing much to do with what you lot are on about, but thats my experience.
im jobless in brighton, and have been for 6 months. i’ve been offered callcentre work, but they are a total dead end as far as i can work out, plus most of it was cold calling people to sell em life insurance. i wouldnt do that even for £20 ph, i have to say. but a freind of mine works for nhs direct, i would be well up for that, but isnt happening.
i prolly sound like a snob, but for someone who went to uni and has 3solid alevels, including one in philosophy, i find it fucking insulting being offered warehouse work and call centre postions. not that i havent taken the warehousing occasionally, but it is really getting on my tits. id rather be unemployed than work for minimum wage, as my standard of life owuldnt actualy change much, except id loose all my free time. still, at least the jsa understand this (its about all they understand) and arent forcing me into a shit job, like they do in most countries (who remebers the german woman who was threatened with having her benefits removed because she wouldnt work as a whore?)anyway, rant over :rant:
March 30, 2006 at 5:53 pm #1069174USE wrote:i prolly sound like a snob, but for someone who went to uni and has 3solid alevels, including one in philosophy, i find it fucking insulting being offered warehouse work and call centre postions. not that i havent taken the warehousing occasionally, but it is really getting on my tits. as a whore?)anyway, rant over :rant:apologies if you have done this already, but ever thought of checking in the local bike shops to see if they want new staff? in other posts its clear you enjoy cycling and know a bit about bikes.
IME they are always short of people at peak times (spring/summer) and although it takes a while to become a mechanic and there are courses you have to go on perhaps if you started now you could learn all these things.. even if you think you are not mechanically minded all you need is a reasonable brain, a bit of strength (not much, just enough to haul bike frames etc in and out of workshops) and attention to detail..
the pay isn’t much good (better than warehouse but or equal to call centre positions) but you get staff discounts etc. its really competitive though as lots of people want these jobs but I reckon you may be able to do it..
March 30, 2006 at 5:57 pm #1069181AnonymousGeneral Lighting wrote:apologies if you have done this already, but ever thought of checking in the local bike shops to see if they want new staff? in other posts its clear you enjoy cycling and know a bit about bikes.that is a blinding idea, i tried it in bristol with no luck, but havent tried brighton. i can easily take apart and reassemble most production-line bikes, so i would need little training. cheers for reminding me of my options, alex, respect.
jsut takes abit of positivity and the world doent look so bleak.
March 30, 2006 at 6:23 pm #1069176USE wrote:still, at least the jsa understand this (its about all they understand) and arent forcing me into a shit job, like they do in most countries (who remebers the german woman who was threatened with having her benefits removed because she wouldnt work as a whore?)anyway, rant over :rant:people on jsa have a bit of breathing space at the moment… the pressures on people on incapacity benefit
use it to your advantage
and i’ve said it before, but volunteering can open up all kinds of avenues that you might not have thought of… it’s how i got my job, which is a mish-mash of giving advice to the general public and voluntary organisations, a bit of marketing (of volunteering) and design and a bit of educating (about equal opportunity, discrimination acts etc) and a bit of campaigning… i’m learning loads, even after 3 years and it’s all ‘transferable skills’
good luck whatever you go for
March 31, 2006 at 1:49 am #1069178Most folk I know in Edinburgh in their late teens/early twenties who aren’t in full time education, and predominantly those involved in the free party/techno scene all seem to work in call centres, in particular Mori market research. The hours appear to be quite flexible and the pay above minimum wage. The only problem a lot of my mates have is that there are so many people employed there they often have difficulty managing to book enough shifts. I’ve never really felt an inclination to work there, however. I know how annoying it is to have random phonecallers, although market research isn’t quite as bugging as having folk trying to sell you a new kitchen etc.
March 31, 2006 at 11:37 am #1069182AnonymousMunch wrote:The only problem a lot of my mates have is that there are so many people employed there they often have difficulty managing to book enough shifts.some of my housemates work in call centres and hotels, and they find the same thing. i cant work out why they would do it to their workers. it hardly inspires commitment to teh work place, eh.
March 31, 2006 at 12:55 pm #1069175USE wrote:some of my housemates work in call centres and hotels, and they find the same thing. i cant work out why they would do it to their workers. it hardly inspires commitment to teh work place, eh.its always been like that, there are often more workers than jobs for these kind of casual positions with flexible hours. People also like to compete, so often those who take the shitty hours like weekends etc get the jobs as they are seen as “more dedicated”.
there was something called the “call-on” in the old docks – places like (Surrey Docks in SE London, Ipswich/Felixstowe round here) where loads of men would compete to be first to get a limited number of positions doing the menial work which involved unloading boxes of various items with a “dockers hook”
this is a fairly sharp implement which is why you see “USE NO HOOKS” on some boxes of imported computer equipment etc (or this sign)
with the competition, only the quickest and strongest kept their work, and the rest had to leave the site and “sling their hook” into a box where these were kept – presumably to stop it being buried in a bosses or rivals’ head (which happened every so often and resulted in people being hanged)
the way call centres, data entry places and the like work is just a modern version of this.
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