in some ways a pity but just because her dad owns the place now doesn’t mean he still will after these deals are done.

You’d be better off with the daughter of the chap from your local Chinese restaurant, as its a more sustainable business than the music industry.

One of the girls at the local one was proper flirting with me (and was actually a Malaysian Chinese) but I reckon one factor was that I am English born and so obviously have citizenship (although it doesn’t even mean your partner gets automatic right to stay)

Unfortunately UKBA turned the place over big time anyway a few weeks later and she and a load of others were put back on the plane as they were on student visas – the family what own it (who lived down the road from me) are all still in prison…

@D_ni 455912 wrote:

not surprising really, one of many contributing factors being that majors are generally saturated in bureaucracy. it then seems musicians/bands have steered towards indie’s & the ”DIY” attitude.
gives musicians far more artistic freedom & direction. Rather than being carved into an ”ideal” image that makes the most profit, therefore sells to the masses.
Music returning to those whom create it.

I am quite impressed TBH by the way tracks are being distributed and sold online even if its permanently removed a lot of the value/jobs created by the distribution of physical media (i.e vinyl records and packaged CDs). A company like EMI is increasingly only worth the value of its back catalogue.

@DaftFader 456000 wrote:

I thought you might say something like this .. and TBF I feel the same. Altho surely there’s no chance of this woman getting deported if you two did have kids (hypertherticaly speaking)?

I know this isn’t true for denmark so I’m doubting myself already. 🙁

UKBA routinely split up families from non EU countries if one partners visa has expired – they do let one parent and the kid stay in Blighty (some UN human rights thing) but the other has to either reapply for citizenship or the family goes to the country of the foreign partner (and then the kid and partner have to clear immigration in the other country!)

I’ve seen it happen to loads of work colleagues from Phillipines etc.

Its about £750 too to apply and they have to go to Harlow or Chelmsford at their own expense to do the citizenship test..

we’ve had them randomly turn up at work a few times and go through all the HR files (even of the English people!) and they take the bank statements away for about 3 months (which was annoying until we changed banks and got a better online banking system as I need them for financial reporting)

@D_ni 456054 wrote:

On the minus side, its less aesthetically pleasing, the physical contact is eliminated. no tangibility. i personally like having something i can hold. especially vinyl, reading the sleeve notes, playing it on your deck..even the smell!..but i guess its all don to the individual preference.

I grew up not just with vinyl, but cassettes and even spools of tape as well as they growth of EDM from synthpop to rave so can agree with this to some extent, but it seems that digital has genuinely cleaned up the industry in more ways than one. by removing the “high risk/high return” nature of the business and the higher entry costs its not just made things difficult for the suits and ageing rock stars but distanced the industry (particularly in England) from organised crime and laundered drugs money.

This side wasn’t harmless fun – people I know got hurt or killed over the years or ended up with addictions/institutionalised – with some genres a culture of competition between artists was so intense it led to violence, a friend of mine and my family who was a well respected urban/garage producer sold his studio and went back to his day job in a bank as he had become a dad and there was a very strong risk of being stabbed or shot at urban events in the late 90s/early 2000s.

The only reason these events are “safer” now (at least in London) is because the feds are more culturally aware and promoters have been forced into working with them if/when required, and some provincial areas no longer license EDM events as they don’t have the resources to deal with the security risks.

OK it might put a permanent end to people treating music production/performance as a permanent career but it will has also removed a lot of the ego and stupidity from this industry, just like the dotcom crash cleaned up IT. In fact it might be better as you can’t outsource all your music production to India (unless you really wanted to) and even then if you wanted a sitar or tabla player for a track you probably could find one by asking around at the local shops in most areas we live in :laugh_at: