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  • #1043378
    General Lighting
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      how was it? I done my back in last week hauling computers/desks etc single handed whilst cable monkeying and have been doing 12 hour days so couldn’t make it unfortunately

      I did hear about the men in black acting like muppets again though..

      #1152026
      BioTech
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        As far as numbers go it was a good night and most people seemed to really enjoy themselves. The security were pretty tight and were chucking people out left right and centre though. Good mix of music between the two rooms and generally pretty safe people.

        On a more personal note, I was tired from working all day then leaving work with 1hr spare before going to Bury to set up. I’ve also done my back in somehow and it was giving me a really bad headache all night (from the tension). Plus I’d forgotten how low the ceilings were so it was impossible to get the rig sounding good more than 10 ppl deep due to the cancellation of the mid-high. Kept getting hassled to turn it down off the management and having to battle against gain happy dj’s trying to turn it up to compensate…… sounding a bit negative here, but I generally enjoyed the night. I think I would have liked it more if i didn’t have to worry about soundsystem.

        There are a few pics on Dontstayin if you go to the Bury St Ed bit.

        #1207248
        BioTech
        Participant

          As far as numbers go it was a good night and most people seemed to really enjoy themselves. The security were pretty tight and were chucking people out left right and centre though. Good mix of music between the two rooms and generally pretty safe people.

          On a more personal note, I was tired from working all day then leaving work with 1hr spare before going to Bury to set up. I’ve also done my back in somehow and it was giving me a really bad headache all night (from the tension). Plus I’d forgotten how low the ceilings were so it was impossible to get the rig sounding good more than 10 ppl deep due to the cancellation of the mid-high. Kept getting hassled to turn it down off the management and having to battle against gain happy dj’s trying to turn it up to compensate…… sounding a bit negative here, but I generally enjoyed the night. I think I would have liked it more if i didn’t have to worry about soundsystem.

          There are a few pics on Dontstayin if you go to the Bury St Ed bit.

          #1152023
          General Lighting
          Moderator
            BioTech wrote:
            As far as numbers go it was a good night and most people seemed to really enjoy themselves. The security were pretty tight and were chucking people out left right and centre though. Good mix of music between the two rooms and generally pretty safe people.

            what I find is the biggest shame about East Anglia’s dance music scene is the people I have met are proper sound but the authorities have really clamped down!

            TBH I was also a bit paranoid about getting ID’d even though I’ve been there a few times before, I should get one of them citizencards but I disagree with the concept of having to have one (after all that woman at bluenotes wanted to ID me :laugh_at:)

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            On a more personal note, I was tired from working all day then leaving work with 1hr spare before going to Bury to set up. I’ve also done my back in somehow and it was giving me a really bad headache all night (from the tension). Plus I’d forgotten how low the ceilings were

            I’ve got a pic of you DJ’ing from last year and I think there was only a foot from the top of your head and the ceiling :laugh_at:

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            so it was impossible to get the rig sounding good more than 10 ppl deep due to the cancellation of the mid-high. Kept getting hassled to turn it down off the management and having to battle against gain happy dj’s trying to turn it up to compensate…… sounding a bit negative here, but I generally enjoyed the night. I think I would have liked it more if i didn’t have to worry about soundsystem.

            its a fucking nightmare the way this area runs tings, DSI pics look good, but S3 is a bit rinsed and I expect feds only let it carry on because people would do more illegals

            heard about girls being chucked out and left to find their own way back which is IMO outrageous given the risks to their safety in most towns.

            there has got to be another venue in suffolk,I can’t fucking believe a county this large has no suitable venues, its like we live in fucking 1600s still like puritans run everything..

            #1207242
            General Lighting
            Moderator
              BioTech wrote:
              As far as numbers go it was a good night and most people seemed to really enjoy themselves. The security were pretty tight and were chucking people out left right and centre though. Good mix of music between the two rooms and generally pretty safe people.

              what I find is the biggest shame about East Anglia’s dance music scene is the people I have met are proper sound but the authorities have really clamped down!

              TBH I was also a bit paranoid about getting ID’d even though I’ve been there a few times before, I should get one of them citizencards but I disagree with the concept of having to have one (after all that woman at bluenotes wanted to ID me :laugh_at:)

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              On a more personal note, I was tired from working all day then leaving work with 1hr spare before going to Bury to set up. I’ve also done my back in somehow and it was giving me a really bad headache all night (from the tension). Plus I’d forgotten how low the ceilings were

              I’ve got a pic of you DJ’ing from last year and I think there was only a foot from the top of your head and the ceiling :laugh_at:

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              so it was impossible to get the rig sounding good more than 10 ppl deep due to the cancellation of the mid-high. Kept getting hassled to turn it down off the management and having to battle against gain happy dj’s trying to turn it up to compensate…… sounding a bit negative here, but I generally enjoyed the night. I think I would have liked it more if i didn’t have to worry about soundsystem.

              its a fucking nightmare the way this area runs tings, DSI pics look good, but S3 is a bit rinsed and I expect feds only let it carry on because people would do more illegals

              heard about girls being chucked out and left to find their own way back which is IMO outrageous given the risks to their safety in most towns.

              there has got to be another venue in suffolk,I can’t fucking believe a county this large has no suitable venues, its like we live in fucking 1600s still like puritans run everything..

              #1152027
              BioTech
              Participant
                General Lighting wrote:
                heard about girls being chucked out and left to find their own way back which is IMO outrageous given the risks to their safety in most towns.

                Some of them were from out of the area and had come by coach and they were left outside to freeze until the coach turned back up again.

                #1207250
                BioTech
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                  General Lighting wrote:
                  heard about girls being chucked out and left to find their own way back which is IMO outrageous given the risks to their safety in most towns.

                  Some of them were from out of the area and had come by coach and they were left outside to freeze until the coach turned back up again.

                  #1152031
                  MisterDuck
                  Participant

                    why were they chucked out?

                    #1207258
                    MisterDuck
                    Participant

                      why were they chucked out?

                      #1152024
                      General Lighting
                      Moderator

                        probably for being seen doing drugs or just “looking” a bit too mashed

                        there’s loads of background to this..

                        in December some dealer sold a shit mcpp pill to a coppers son who got very ill and then grassed up to his dad.

                        Suffolk police have put the management on warning they might lose their license. This is no idle threat.

                        these cops have already closed down or discouraged virtually every dance music event in the entire county), they also help Norfolk shut down free parties and monitor the internet for info even if its out of their area.

                        They make all events here comply with the Metropolitan Police devised dance music licensing/management procedure (called Safe and Sound) which is intended for UK garage events where they have problems with guns. This means a zero tolerance approach to drugs in the venue, and often states security must not be well known to the promoters to stop them allowing “preferred” dealers to operate. (in London they even make DJ’s go through searches and PNC checks!)

                        Unfortunately because a club in Ipswich did get shot up by London gangsters last year cops feel justified in doing this and much of the normal population support them in doing so.

                        To make matters worse, two of the murdered prostitutes were found to have got into class A drugs via the “party drugs” networks, and were clubbers/ravers (I think the young mixed race one was an acquaintance of some of my younger friends, and two of the other girls are known to my older friends).

                        The first suspects (the innocent one who got released last year) would turn up to Norfolk outdoor parties, the second one (in Court today) ran a pub (in Norfolk) which I think tolerated a lot of “youth drinking” and perhaps a few dance music events.

                        the cops are still angry over the Leah Betts incident 12 years ago, and because this area is coastal (three if not four active docks and lots of other places to land boats) they feel they have to go in harder against drug culture. This combination of events has led the cops to go full on zero tolerance as they feel stopping dance music events is the first step.

                        #1207244
                        General Lighting
                        Moderator

                          probably for being seen doing drugs or just “looking” a bit too mashed

                          there’s loads of background to this..

                          in December some dealer sold a shit mcpp pill to a coppers son who got very ill and then grassed up to his dad.

                          Suffolk police have put the management on warning they might lose their license. This is no idle threat.

                          these cops have already closed down or discouraged virtually every dance music event in the entire county), they also help Norfolk shut down free parties and monitor the internet for info even if its out of their area.

                          They make all events here comply with the Metropolitan Police devised dance music licensing/management procedure (called Safe and Sound) which is intended for UK garage events where they have problems with guns. This means a zero tolerance approach to drugs in the venue, and often states security must not be well known to the promoters to stop them allowing “preferred” dealers to operate. (in London they even make DJ’s go through searches and PNC checks!)

                          Unfortunately because a club in Ipswich did get shot up by London gangsters last year cops feel justified in doing this and much of the normal population support them in doing so.

                          To make matters worse, two of the murdered prostitutes were found to have got into class A drugs via the “party drugs” networks, and were clubbers/ravers (I think the young mixed race one was an acquaintance of some of my younger friends, and two of the other girls are known to my older friends).

                          The first suspects (the innocent one who got released last year) would turn up to Norfolk outdoor parties, the second one (in Court today) ran a pub (in Norfolk) which I think tolerated a lot of “youth drinking” and perhaps a few dance music events.

                          the cops are still angry over the Leah Betts incident 12 years ago, and because this area is coastal (three if not four active docks and lots of other places to land boats) they feel they have to go in harder against drug culture. This combination of events has led the cops to go full on zero tolerance as they feel stopping dance music events is the first step.

                          #1152032
                          MisterDuck
                          Participant

                            leah betts died out of stupidity, i know that sounds harsh but its true

                            why are the cops angry about her in particular?

                            and from what you’ve said GL i really dont envy you suffolk lot, up here theres loads of ace clubs, pretty lenient (as long as people on DSI dont keep postin about the lax security!) and fortunately we havent had the middle england clampdown

                            it may be down to the fact the middle england exists less in the workin-class north? i dunno

                            coppers seem wankers down there too, like that suffolk party video

                            #1207261
                            MisterDuck
                            Participant

                              leah betts died out of stupidity, i know that sounds harsh but its true

                              why are the cops angry about her in particular?

                              and from what you’ve said GL i really dont envy you suffolk lot, up here theres loads of ace clubs, pretty lenient (as long as people on DSI dont keep postin about the lax security!) and fortunately we havent had the middle england clampdown

                              it may be down to the fact the middle england exists less in the workin-class north? i dunno

                              coppers seem wankers down there too, like that suffolk party video

                              #1152029
                              elretardo87
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                                boothy wrote:
                                leah betts died out of stupidity, i know that sounds harsh but its true

                                No Leah Betts died as a result of poor information about drugs.

                                It was not her fault that there was little information about drugs available at the time. The only reason we all know is because of sites like this and erowid, which I doubt would have been very easy to access in her time.

                                I mean at school I was told verious different bollocks about drugs, which mostly turne dout to be not true. I mean FFS it was a police man who the school invited in to tell me how to safely use drugs.

                                #1207254
                                elretardo87
                                Participant
                                  boothy wrote:
                                  leah betts died out of stupidity, i know that sounds harsh but its true

                                  No Leah Betts died as a result of poor information about drugs.

                                  It was not her fault that there was little information about drugs available at the time. The only reason we all know is because of sites like this and erowid, which I doubt would have been very easy to access in her time.

                                  I mean at school I was told verious different bollocks about drugs, which mostly turne dout to be not true. I mean FFS it was a police man who the school invited in to tell me how to safely use drugs.

                                  #1152028
                                  BioTech
                                  Participant

                                    They were thrown out after random searches were carried out on them and very small amounts of drugs were found on them.

                                    boothy wrote:
                                    why are the cops angry about her in particular?

                                    Because she was the daughter of an ex copper. He killed her (trying to help her I might add) and will not come to terms with that and is still waging a war he cannot win with scare tactics.

                                    A legal party we threw a week after her death got hit in a BIG way by police flexing their muscles. They pretty much locked down yarmouth seafront and were beating people for apparently no reason. They arrested 63 people that weekend and only 3 were charged. 2 of those were handed over by venue security.

                                    #1207252
                                    BioTech
                                    Participant

                                      They were thrown out after random searches were carried out on them and very small amounts of drugs were found on them.

                                      boothy wrote:
                                      why are the cops angry about her in particular?

                                      Because she was the daughter of an ex copper. He killed her (trying to help her I might add) and will not come to terms with that and is still waging a war he cannot win with scare tactics.

                                      A legal party we threw a week after her death got hit in a BIG way by police flexing their muscles. They pretty much locked down yarmouth seafront and were beating people for apparently no reason. They arrested 63 people that weekend and only 3 were charged. 2 of those were handed over by venue security.

                                      #1152030
                                      Raj
                                      Participant
                                        BioTech wrote:
                                        Because she was the daughter of an ex copper. He killed her (trying to help her I might add) and will not come to terms with that and is still waging a war he cannot win with scare tactics.

                                        The entire story as provided to the media may have been incorrect – her friends later claimed she had taken ecstasy before.

                                        Leah was a victim of the overwhelming ignorance which resulted from the ‘just say no’ campaign and the fact that those closest to her , when they had no idea how to correctly treat her, apparently did not seek/receive adequate medical advice on how best to help her [possibly as the drug she had taken was illegal].

                                        :hopeless:

                                        #1207257
                                        Raj
                                        Participant
                                          BioTech wrote:
                                          Because she was the daughter of an ex copper. He killed her (trying to help her I might add) and will not come to terms with that and is still waging a war he cannot win with scare tactics.

                                          The entire story as provided to the media may have been incorrect – her friends later claimed she had taken ecstasy before.

                                          Leah was a victim of the overwhelming ignorance which resulted from the ‘just say no’ campaign and the fact that those closest to her , when they had no idea how to correctly treat her, apparently did not seek/receive adequate medical advice on how best to help her [possibly as the drug she had taken was illegal].

                                          :hopeless:

                                          #1152025
                                          General Lighting
                                          Moderator
                                            BioTech wrote:
                                            They were thrown out after random searches were carried out on them and very small amounts of drugs were found on them.

                                            FFS. what point is there in doing random searches on peopel if they are not causing trouble, unless that security firm is being encouraged by Suffolk cops to try and dig some dirt? if its them two who were leading each other through the streets of Lowestoft on a dog collar and lead then I can see how they might come across as a bit loud but that IMO no reason to eject them if they aren’t hurting anybody..

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                                            Because she was the daughter of an ex copper. He killed her (trying to help her I might add) and will not come to terms with that and is still waging a war he cannot win with scare tactics.

                                            I think he was still serving with Essex at the point of the incident, and the stress from the media coverage (brought on himself!) may have caused him to quit the job.

                                            Green Derek stood up to him (Betts) on Anglia TV and him to his face he was responsible for his daughter’s death.

                                            A brave move but I wouldn’t be surprised if that is why to this day cops across all East Anglian Police forces hate the electronic dance music scene with a passion – Unfortunately despite being a muppet Betts still had plenty of friends in the force – to them they feel “the drug-friendly liberal do-gooders broke the spirit of a good copper”

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                                            They pretty much locked down yarmouth seafront and were beating people for apparently no reason. They arrested 63 people that weekend and only 3 were charged. 2 of those were handed over by venue security.

                                            and this was way before the airwave system which made it far easier for forces to work together. Its also a big fallacy that Norfolk police are more “tolerant” than suffolk, their lenience is merely due to lack of resources and they have merged their force support teams specifically to try and deal with “cross border” crime such as raves.

                                            #1207246
                                            General Lighting
                                            Moderator
                                              BioTech wrote:
                                              They were thrown out after random searches were carried out on them and very small amounts of drugs were found on them.

                                              FFS. what point is there in doing random searches on peopel if they are not causing trouble, unless that security firm is being encouraged by Suffolk cops to try and dig some dirt? if its them two who were leading each other through the streets of Lowestoft on a dog collar and lead then I can see how they might come across as a bit loud but that IMO no reason to eject them if they aren’t hurting anybody..

                                              Quote:
                                              Because she was the daughter of an ex copper. He killed her (trying to help her I might add) and will not come to terms with that and is still waging a war he cannot win with scare tactics.

                                              I think he was still serving with Essex at the point of the incident, and the stress from the media coverage (brought on himself!) may have caused him to quit the job.

                                              Green Derek stood up to him (Betts) on Anglia TV and him to his face he was responsible for his daughter’s death.

                                              A brave move but I wouldn’t be surprised if that is why to this day cops across all East Anglian Police forces hate the electronic dance music scene with a passion – Unfortunately despite being a muppet Betts still had plenty of friends in the force – to them they feel “the drug-friendly liberal do-gooders broke the spirit of a good copper”

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                                              They pretty much locked down yarmouth seafront and were beating people for apparently no reason. They arrested 63 people that weekend and only 3 were charged. 2 of those were handed over by venue security.

                                              and this was way before the airwave system which made it far easier for forces to work together. Its also a big fallacy that Norfolk police are more “tolerant” than suffolk, their lenience is merely due to lack of resources and they have merged their force support teams specifically to try and deal with “cross border” crime such as raves.

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