I can imagine Radiohead lasting a very long time. They have a very dedicated fanbase and a lot of critically acclaimed albums. You have to remember that it’s quite hard to tell what’s going to survive when you’re in the midst of that culture. Back in ’67, when Sergeant Pepper and Are You Experienced came out, the best selling single was by Engelbert Humperdinck. Likewise in 69, the height of “hippy” culture, when the Beatles had released Abbey Road, Jimi Hendrix was huge, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd were coming into their own etc. The best selling single was “Sugar Sugar” by the Archies..a cartoon band.

We only remember the classics now because that’s what ends up surviving.

@Mezz 538561 wrote:

Previous decades have had innovations that opened up new ways of making music, The Electric Guitar, Early Synths, Music videos, fully computer generated etc

But from computer generated sounds & visuals there was no where else to go and musical evolution stopped, no need for new specific instruments when a computer can create any sound

You can still innovate with what you have. Music is hardly ever stagnant, even if instrumentation is. That’s why the Jimi Hendrix Experience don’t sound like Nirvana. Likewise just because a computer can generate any sound doesn’t mean people still don’t opt for live instruments.

I’d also say probably the huge diversification of genres has contributed. Music used to be a lot more monolithic in that unless you were willing to dedicate a lot of time to it, you’d know the artists that were either well known or were big in the local scene. Now with the internet and the ease of acquiring digital files and information on artists, there are a lot more niche genres that you can indulge in even if your local scene does not have much of it. Because of this it is even harder to tell what is going to survive in 20 or 30 years time as the “classics” of that era.

No it’s not just you, music a a big load of bolox. What takes the piss is you get these people calling their music underground like pretty much all of the hardcore and drum and bass labels when they are just in it for the ££££ as much as Girls aloud (Sound of the underground)

It takes the fucking piss. I don’t really have much respect for acts like the chemical brothers or prodigy anymore as they are basically sell out. Fair enough they have made some excellent music but the whole £££ thing just makes me want to not like them.

Rant over.

Oh also this sick techno track called ‘fatsuma’

@thelog 538571 wrote:

No it’s not just you, music a a big load of bolox. What takes the piss is you get these people calling their music underground like pretty much all of the hardcore and drum and bass labels when they are just in it for the ££££ as much as Girls aloud (Sound of the underground)

that is exactly the case in the UK. the fact that folk want to make a career out of music is not so bad in itself, it is the lying about it and wishful thinking harking back to the 90s which is wrong. At least in mainland Europe everyone seems more honest about it.

These days even if a UK EDM track (such as UK garage/funky house) crosses over its near instantly disposable. The pretty girl fronting it might make enough to buy a pink Vauxhall Corsa and the lads might get some new studio kit but in a few years time she’s back to hairdressing and the lads are back to working in call centres or IT support. I know thats not very gender-neutral but nor is the music scene.

@thelog 538571 wrote:

No it’s not just you, music a a big load of bolox. What takes the piss is you get these people calling their music underground like pretty much all of the hardcore and drum and bass labels when they are just in it for the ££££ as much as Girls aloud (Sound of the underground)

It takes the fucking piss. I don’t really have much respect for acts like the chemical brothers or prodigy anymore as they are basically sell out. Fair enough they have made some excellent music but the whole £££ thing just makes me want to not like them.

Rant over.

I want to say that I agree with what you say mate, but if somebody offered me big money for my rhymes, I’d be hard pressed to turn it down if I’m honest. If you can make money out of what you enjoy doing, then why not? I know that the Chemical Brothers and The Prodigy have taken that to a pretty big extreme, but would you find it easy to turn down money for one of your tracks, especially if it was a life-changing amount? Like I said, I’m not certain I could dude.

@Seasonz 538792 wrote:

Lucky most of us thrive in the rave scene where the whole thing is underground and few will get the opportunity to completely sell out :weee:

that is why EDM is more resilient as folk are more realistic. I’ll be blunt about it, I’ve seen folk over the years sink into despair and I mean actually bad drug addictions and even mental illness as their dreams to become pop musicians have been shattered. Yet it seems like the dance music lot are more realistic, perhaps because no matter how talented we get we will always be judged as druggie scum by those in actual power (and its got worse in recent years since the economic depression) so there is no selling out anyway….

@Seasonz 538801 wrote:

Very true actually. Unfortunate as it is, it does mean the scene is never likely to become accepted by the mainstream which also means that special feeling of standing in front of a huge rig with your friends buzzin’ your nut off knowing that your a part of something that is known only and accepted by a minority is likely to remain :weee:

Even the EDM tracks which have been grudgingly accepted are the wierd mixture of genres (loosely based around funky house and eurodance) that get played in townie clubs (the sort that you find in Bury. Haverhill, Newmarket, Stow and Ipswich, I’m sure you can think of at least one such place…)

I was thinking today that because of the internet, all the record labels, producers, forums and radio stations are working together on projects a lot more closely which isn’t a bad thing but its also because so much money has disappeared out of the industry. This also affects it because the kind of teaching/mentoring that would come from my generation who actually lived through the boom times of pop music is gone, because although a lot of us would like to do it we need to make our money to survive and we get paid more for fixing computers and telephones, or hauling fruit and veg, or teaching folk other more “marketable” skills.

@Seasonz 538850 wrote:

Yeah i think it’s a shame how few decent EDM nights clubs in our area have. As you said the majority of music played is either really lame music based on eurodance or it’s just charts music. But we are lucky enough to
have a fairly active freeparty scene which redeems the EDM scene in East Anglia greatly IMO :weee:

Unfortunately freeparties don’t support a wider music scene outside a small niche of youngish people with free time and transport to repeatedly go to what are often remote areas, and its actually the same small number of teenagers and young adults as each year some drop out from having rigs seized and/or going to University whilst new ones join from the younger age groups. And the only contribution to the local economy from these is tax gained on petrol costs. I know they are fun as I was going to the until comparatively recently but I got the feeling that the farmer must have been left with a lot of balloons to clear up and human shit in his own fields.

Even though a great deal is cleared up its only about 70% of the trash as last tunes was often on Sunday evening… plus a lot of slightly older people (even age 25+) stop going as they have misgivings about getting busted for a driving offence or fucking up someones farm when their own relatives might own one themselves.

The paradox is that at UK freeparties they are 90% of the time playing what is mainstream popular music just across the water in the Netherlands. Most hardstyle is from there and it is treated the same and given the same respect as Armin Van Buuren or the traditional folk/country music (soppy songs about love and life sung in Dutch). if they had sense here this would be encouraged into a proper music industry in East Anglia and provided with better venues in return for not doing freeparties in bait locations or causing damage (there are still locations where outdoor parties can be held safely)