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August 16, 2008 at 9:06 pm #1045226
Couldnt find the thread about it, but thought id leave a note here incase you saw it dr b. no offence, just dont think it really shows the free party scene very well. sort of represents the festival circuit, but not really a good pic to show that either, want a pic of a soundsystem or people dancing around loving it really. its your site tho. hope oz is cool. :weee:
August 17, 2008 at 9:31 am #1177868I take your point and you’ll notice I’ve changed it back for now but not everyone on here is from the uk or a free party person and I think that needs reflecting on the front page…
August 17, 2008 at 9:45 am #1177874I see your point, but those of us who may not still be active in the scene still like to pretend by coming on here!
Why does it have to be the two extremes…………
In fact, why don’t we have a competition for the best front page pic? There’s loads of wicked ones in the gallery………
August 17, 2008 at 9:48 am #1177880a poll for best pic souns good,
maybe we could have a thread where people put up their choices, with a closing date and stuff
might take the pressure off of Dr B to find the ‘perfect’ pic that makes everyone happy and he can get on with other stuff thats more iimportant?
August 17, 2008 at 11:13 am #1177869Thanks both, I’m happy with these suggestions…
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August 17, 2008 at 2:42 pm #1177884yeah a compatision would be good that way dr.b wont have to take the fall if people dont like it :wink::laugh_at:
August 17, 2008 at 4:36 pm #1177873@binge 231454 wrote:
I see your point, but those of us who may not still be active in the scene still like to pretend by coming on here!
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August 17, 2008 at 11:38 pm #1177862Anonymous
i think its abit dissapointing that the site is getting less and less about the free party scene. theres not many folk realy on here that are involved or even attend partys on here anymore. i think i’m about the only person involved with an active rig on here now. i can count on one hand how many people on here i’ve seen at partys here. there are indeed alot of pretenders on here…
i know theres folk on here that are involved in stuff but dont shout about it by the odd pm i get but please lets try to keep the site true to its roots.
August 18, 2008 at 4:26 am #1177879MrAHC;231568 wrote:i think i’m about the only person involved with an active rig on here now.That’s not true..
Some people just don’t talk about it the way you do raaa
August 18, 2008 at 10:40 am #1177863Angel;231572 wrote:That’s not true..Some people just don’t talk about it the way you do raaa
i know theres folk on here that are involved in stuff but dont shout about it by the odd pm i get but please lets try to keep the site true to its roots.
CANT YOU READ?
August 18, 2008 at 12:07 pm #1177889MrAHC;231568 wrote:i think its abit dissapointing that the site is getting less and less about the free party scene. theres not many folk realy on here that are involved or even attend partys on here anymore. i think i’m about the only person involved with an active rig on here now. i can count on one hand how many people on here i’ve seen at partys here. there are indeed alot of pretenders on here…i know theres folk on here that are involved in stuff but dont shout about it by the odd pm i get but please lets try to keep the site true to its roots.
some of us are actively trying to get involved 😉
August 18, 2008 at 12:18 pm #1177881MrAHC;231568 wrote:i think its abit dissapointing that the site is getting less and less about the free party scene. theres not many folk realy on here that are involved or even attend partys on here anymore. i think i’m about the only person involved with an active rig on here now. i can count on one hand how many people on here i’ve seen at partys here. there are indeed alot of pretenders on here…i know theres folk on here that are involved in stuff but dont shout about it by the odd pm i get but please lets try to keep the site true to its roots.
ya started 1 now id say thats wrong as i no quite a few people of this site 3 of whom are activly involved in free partys thats not including my rig..But I do agree with you in a way as you never here any decent reveiws or whats what, but that in itself is a bit of a catch22 when advertising something illegal but not imposible…raaa
August 18, 2008 at 1:43 pm #1177877MrAHC;231568 wrote:i think its abit dissapointing that the site is getting less and less about the free party scene. theres not many folk realy on here that are involved or even attend partys on here anymore. i think i’m about the only person involved with an active rig on here now. i can count on one hand how many people on here i’ve seen at partys here. there are indeed alot of pretenders on here…i know theres folk on here that are involved in stuff but dont shout about it by the odd pm i get but please lets try to keep the site true to its roots.
i agree the site should be true to its roots of the whole free party ethic, but it is also a good site for advice on lots of different aspects of life, which i think is really good. a website simply with people going on about speakers/amps/parties they’ve been to could be a little bit one dimensional.
There is a bit of a lack of party reports/reviews etc, but people have got to be carefull about how much they give away in them, cause its not good to keep rubbing the anti-rave brigades face in it every week.
Personally i think there is at least 6/7 people on here that are actively involved in putting on parties and spreading the word. Most dont want to shout about it tho cause its best to keep that shit quite IMO. Also as this is quite a high profile website, i think a lot of rig owners want to stay well clear.
And a lot of the other members i think do go to quite a lot of parties, some dont, but you’ve got to start somewhere and if through PV they start going to parties or meeting up with people that they’ve met on here then thats wicked.
This site can be a little quite at times so i think quite few members dont bother posting, but just have a look about or come on occasionally to post about parties in the future rather than posting everyday.Everybody should be welcome dont want to be free party facists do we 🙂 :love:
August 18, 2008 at 1:49 pm #1177883use a picture of me on the front page, turn everybody on weyheyhey
August 18, 2008 at 8:20 pm #1177864djprocess;231587 wrote:Everybody should be welcome dont want to be free party facists do we 🙂 :love:There dont seem to be much on here about free partys or the underground at all realy. Just general chit chat, the political side & activism side is non existand, in fact there was a slating of the activists at Drax. Thats the kind of facism I’m woried about…
Another thing thats anoyed me this weekend is that we put on a free leagle event on the doorstep of 3 PV users that I know of and not one turned up, but yet 1 got a lift up from Birmingham.
August 18, 2008 at 8:51 pm #1177886MrAHC;231568 wrote:i think its abit dissapointing that the site is getting less and less about the free party scene. theres not many folk realy on here that are involved or even attend partys on here anymore. .well i probably joined at a bad time with all the stuff about lockdowns and increased scrutiny of party sites and i wouldn’t consider asking even through pm about parties unless i new someone beforehand.
not easy really under these circumstances to prove your honest intensions
unfortunately the only outlet i have is in north wales and that a major trip!!
August 18, 2008 at 9:00 pm #1177865Brock the badger;231670 wrote:well i probably joined at a bad time with all the stuff about lockdowns and increased scrutiny of party sites and i wouldn’t consider asking even through pm about parties unless i new someone beforehand.not easy really under these circumstances to prove your honest intensions
unfortunately the only outlet i have is in north wales and that a major trip!!
i’m not as p[aranoid as most folk, the police arnt that bothered unless you cause a nuisence if they get a complaint they have to react so dont let them get any complaints and they wont. If they turn up be nice and dont let anyone anoy them. alot of the time if you promice to clear up, be gone by noon & keep the noise down they could let you cary one. Things havnt changed much since the 90s apart from a few crews fucking it up for them selves. I dont think the police want to be busting partys but if there getting complaints they will. 100 people dansing out of the way causing no bother in the hills is 100 less drunks in the town centre they have to deal with. Just keep the partys small, dont take an excesive rig and dont drive about in convoy at silly o clock.
i’ve passed numbers to people i dont know on here b4 when we first restarted the rig and that was folk with not may posts ‘South Caver’ beig one and he turned out to be a good supporter of our rig. I wouldnt do that now.
August 18, 2008 at 9:17 pm #1177870People up North can currently afford to be a bit “louder” but theres good reasons for people in some areas being “quiet”, as down South crews all the way from West London to Wiltshire fucked up in exactly the same way as Norfolk around 2005.
Cops “left them alone” for many years, but ravers got complacent and started picking bad venues, rinsing the same places and wholly taking the piss.. Before that it was as safe as the North today or Norfolk until 2006/7
There were clampdowns in 2004/2005 in all those areas, people got nicked, ASBOS, rigs taken – for this reason some “paranoia” isn’t overkill – just needs to be put into perspective.
At one point we had 6 police forces watching this site in 2004/05! They also used SJ as well to get evidence for ASBOs on some people in Oxfordshire as well as watching the various “regional” forums what used to exist for each area particularly the East (Kacchina, Proper underground, Ravecore etc)
Even then they were just looking for obvious bait things or “soft intelligence” such as indiscreet photos or people bragging about involvement with rigs at parties where there had been complaints rather than trying deep cover stuff. its not worth the while of CID using a lot of undercover resources to deal with a free party (its not exactly “secret” when its in full swing!), unless they suspect organisers are funding the events through drug dealing.
We have had a couple of journalists and people linked to a landowner try to pose as ravers to get info on parties from this site, but they were caught out by various methods before they could cause any problems.
However there simply aren’t that many free parties in the South any more. its far from totally dead but many southern / Eastern crews have either given up, gone to doing legals or do foreign events though rather than face the problems “at home”.
A large proportion of our users are still from SE and Eastern England so for their own safety they are going to be quieter and unfortunately some just give up if there aren’t “loads of parties”
even so there are definitely active people from those areas on here as well even if they don’t post much about them. Some events still do happen and details of them are exchanged discreetly and there are still often threads (albeit with less detail) about parties in other areas..
August 18, 2008 at 9:25 pm #1177887MrAHC;231671 wrote:i’m not as p[aranoid as most folk, the police arnt that bothered unless you cause a nuisence if they get a complaint they have to react so dont let them get any complaints and they wont. If they turn up be nice and dont let anyone anoy them. alot of the time if you promice to clear up, be gone by noon & keep the noise down they could let you cary one. Things havnt changed much since the 90s apart from a few crews fucking it up for them selves. I dont think the police want to be busting partys but if there getting complaints they will. 100 people dansing out of the way causing no bother in the hills is 100 less drunks in the town centre they have to deal with. Just keep the partys small, dont take an excesive rig and dont drive about in convoy at silly o clock.i’ve passed numbers to people i dont know on here b4 when we first restarted the rig and that was folk with not may posts ‘South Caver’ beig one and he turned out to be a good supporter of our rig. I wouldnt do that now.
fair comment.
I’m pretty much immersed in figuring out ableton and creating new tunes now i have the resource to do so and hope to make a valid contribution to the site in that sense particularly when i get back on to XP from vista which has fouled up my audio quality!!! hope to post stuff in due course on the download section (i’ve managed to create some mega phat synths and beats using the korg analogue legacy plug in and routing drum racks thru native instruments guitar amps!!
August 18, 2008 at 10:39 pm #1177875MrAHC;231666 wrote:There dont seem to be much on here about free partys or the underground at all realy. Just general chit chat, the political side & activism side is non existand, in fact there was a slating of the activists at Drax. Thats the kind of facism I’m woried about…True. I posted a few threads on the Climate Camp and got fuck all response. Where’s the passion in the kids these days?
#Binge goes off to mutter and shake his walking stick at kids………..#
August 18, 2008 at 10:48 pm #1177871binge;231694 wrote:True. I posted a few threads on the Climate Camp and got fuck all response. Where’s the passion in the kids these days?#Binge goes off to mutter and shake his walking stick at kids………..#
lol I was gonna say that Binge has regularly posted about environment issues as has many of the Scots and myself, Dr Bunsen used to set up a regular feed of progressive activist news to here (the Chris Morris) robot as well..
TBH I noticed the same years back – people just don’t want to debate the heavier issues and cannot be forced to do so. Some people have even walked away from here to SJ or (more recently) bebo because there’s “too many serious posts”….
Also if you are going to discuss things like growing your own food or alternative energy properly it means long detailed posts which tend to be ignored here and are more commonly found on individuals blogs where the layout makes it easier to follow…. (and people have longer attention spans)
and some of my mates what are into that stuff are just out there doing it so don’t have as much time to post on here 😉
Theres some sort of eco/direct action workshop soon where they were keeping the venue quiet not because of feds (its not even a “invasion” of an unpopular industry, just a gathering in a field with permission ie all above board) but to stop it being invaded by people what “just want a festival!” they’ve announced the venue now but theres the same curfew on music that licensed venues have so people get enough rest for the workshops. Was even tempted at one point to go (down the road from friends) but there was so many odd rules the whole thing was more like being back at school!
There’s a big gulf between some ravers and activists these days anyway, a lot of gary boys were at the SE England free parties and out of the people I know from my new area I think just three are genuinely interested in wider social issues or alternative living beyond a weekend of drugs and music…
then again when we were all 18-19 I expect we all “lived for the moment” and didn’t think that much of the future..
August 18, 2008 at 10:52 pm #1177876General Lighting;231696 wrote:then again when we were all 18-19 I expect we all “lived for the moment” and didn’t think that much of the future..Ahh the good old days. When responsibility was something that happened to other people!
August 19, 2008 at 12:02 am #1177872that said, despite the youth of some involved I did get an impression that earlier East Anglian parties had a bit more of a genuine “community” ideal about them – and were closer to positive social activism – long before I moved here (which came as a surprise in the end!) I used to go on sites like ravecore etc and look at all the photos of EA parties – they did look like people seemed genuinely happy and were initially quite positive in their outlook, plus some ravers were trying to do stuff like the community centre etc (in fact some dude actually pulled it off in Needham Market but he lost touch with all the squatters/ravers as they never kept in contact with him!)
ironically if people had clued up 4/5 years ago and got more into the genuine DIY culture instead of going for easy options or picking losing battles with cops I reckon we’d still have tolerated parties in East Anglia with locals acceptance and even in Suffolk and Essex.
But I’m a newcomer to this area, lots of people before me already tried to “guide and respect” the younger crowds but got ignored when what they said wasn’t what they wanted to hear, so they have just concentrated on helping close friends/families…
August 19, 2008 at 4:16 pm #1177866binge;231694 wrote:True. I posted a few threads on the Climate Camp and got fuck all response. Where’s the passion in the kids these days?There isnt non, we handed out loads of pro squatters leiflets at a party this year only to have 99% of em dumped on the floor or handed back.
the youth of today only care about getting munterd and the actual party it isnt a statement anymore just a cheper way of dancing.
I here what GL says about the Scottish lot, they do seem more aware than the English lot on here which is good. Activism in England has realy lost its spark, its just small handfulls of people these days in England, no one gives a fuck anymore. Your more likely to here youths going on about there carear prospects & a new golf gti than where there going to go hitchiking to india & stoping a motorway at a festival these days.
August 19, 2008 at 10:32 pm #1177888binge;231698 wrote:Ahh the good old days. When responsibility was something that happened to other people!Although i didn’t go to big chill this year i couldn’t help noticing on previous occasions the masses of crap discarded on the floor at the end of the day particularly with the ‘leave no trace’ banners in sight.
Big Chillers are supposed to be a more mature eco friendly crowd but you wouldn’t know it looking at what they left behind. This is also evident at most other outdoor gatherings although a small minority make the effort to clear the mess of the many
A lot of double standards about on the eco theme imo.
Speaking of which going back to the theme of this thread you can see quite a bit of stuff discarded on the floor in the front pic. Best to replace asap!!
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