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  • #1037565
    Mongo
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      I read it in the FT today 🙂

      btw, can we stop talking about SJ, like it was the only thing in the world please:)

      so anyway BBC over spent by 20 million, How can this happen, don’t they know how to budget ?

      #1070755
      Anonymous

        Producing Little Britain beyond series 1 was a horrific waste of money.

        #1070775
        bird
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          nah. LB2 was ok, LB3 wants BURNING

          (I reckon snarf blew the money on the horses…. Something like that anyway)

          #1070805
          Pisces
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            Richy Freeway wrote:
            Producing Little Britain beyond series 1 was a horrific waste of money.

            Agree with that! :horay:

            #1070751
            Mongo
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              Richy Freeway wrote:
              Producing Little Britain beyond series 1 was a horrific waste of money.

              well that accounts for 250 quid but what about the rest ?

              #1070746
              General Lighting
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                hardly fucking surprising TBH

                They pay a few “star talent” (both creatives/managers) stupid amounts of money – then exploit others for fuck all (like most media organisations they use a significant amount of unpaid work experience people)

                also a lot of stuff is outsourced/semi-privatised

                so there is an atmosphere of internal politics, lying, mistrust and hate in there. It makes the worst elements of the free party scene look like paradise. because its a job people like doing everyone competes with each other to keep their work.

                People even sabotage each others projects (although TBH that happens across the entire media industry) – with a company as dysfunctional as that its hardly surprising people cannot keep an eye on the budgets – TBH the same thing was happening to ITV a few years back but because the market “sorted it out” it ended up with the big companies and money men taking total control.

                imagine if crews were funded by tax to do a free party but one group of people decided “right we wil run tings” so they trashed a few others rigs – OK maybe not as blatant as using petrol bombs them but cutting through signal cables, re-routed stuff or removing equipment so speakers were blown on peaks… that sort of thing often happens (on a more subtle scale) within the mainstream media

                I once worked as a broadcast engineer and had some very strange support calls, including a very sheepish engineering manager admitting to me that a rival region had been deliberately tampering with equipment)

                Auntie does try to be a bit more creatives takes more risks which is why they end up spending more – but they do fucking stupid things like commission a programme and pay for it, and then let it sit in archives without being TX’d because of some pointless disagreement.

                Although I think a lot of their stuff is OK its not worth the license fee

                it does need to be sorted out and maybe even to abandon the false pretence of being independent (perhaps make the BBC a non-departmental public body funded by Ofcom)

                but you could still keep Auntie as an outlet for news, information and a training ground for new talent… thats what every other nation does with their public broadcasters and it hasn’t affected them that badly TBH

                #1070759
                Mr Fixxy
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                  shock horror

                  bbc lay off half the accounts dept and suddenly the press is full of moles giving away confidential information.

                  I think the bbc are doing a cracking job btw.

                  #1070766
                  27 super goat
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                    Mr Fixxy wrote:
                    bbc lay off half the accounts dept and suddenly the press is full of moles giving away confidential information.

                    I think the bbc are doing a cracking job btw.

                    you mean the shock news that Terry Wogan earns £800,000?

                    the BBC makes good programmes and wasting the money on celebrity pisses me off but if it’s what the public want I have to accept that I’m in the minority

                    but you could still keep Auntie as an outlet for news, information and a training ground for new talent… thats what every other nation does with their public broadcasters and it hasn’t affected them that badly TBH

                    but most other nations’ public broadcasters are rubbish!

                    #1070747
                    General Lighting
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                      27 super goat wrote:
                      but most other nations’ public broadcasters are rubbish!

                      canada’s are OK; some of the French and German ones produce good stuff (but of course you need to to understand the language, or tune in on shortwave for English broadcasts)

                      The BBC its doing a good job but maybe it could do a better one for less money out of our pockets.

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                      the BBC makes good programmes and wasting the money on celebrity pisses me off but if it’s what the public want I have to accept that I’m in the minority

                      but do they have a choice? everyone has to pay the licence fee or they get nicked. Thats what I object to TBH

                      it may seem harsh but if it means there is less decent stuff on telly I’m perfectly happy to accept that for not having to pay for it. I know people say you don’t have a choice with ITV but not every product is advertised on there and the conventional broadcast ad market is declining as the internet takes over… yes, I know ITV is pants now but thats “market forces in action”.

                      there are also various “old guard cliques” keeping a tight hold on who gets anywhere in the media and whose projects get commissioned (as Ricky Gervais was pointing out a few days ago…)

                      we can (and do) make our own media and entertainment. I’m not totally anti public broadcasting by any means but not the stealth tax of the licence fee…

                      #1070750
                      Col
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                        budget btw

                        just to be a gramma queen

                        #1070776
                        J. BStard.
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                          General Lighting wrote:
                          I’m not totally anti public broadcasting by any means but not the stealth tax of the licence fee…

                          So what would you recommend instead?

                          The license fee is the best of a load of bad ways of financing PST.

                          #1070806
                          Pisces
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                            General Lighting wrote:
                            yes, I know ITV is pants now but thats “market forces in action”.

                            In which case I’ll happily keep paying my license fee to ensure that the BBC doesn’t go the same way.

                            ITV is fucking terrible.

                            #1070777
                            J. BStard.
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                              Pisces wrote:
                              In which case I’ll happily keep paying my license fee to ensure that the BBC doesn’t go the same way.

                              ITV is fucking terrible.

                              Exactly. Radio 4 is worth the money alone.

                              #1070808
                              snarf
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                                bird wrote:
                                nah. LB2 was ok, LB3 wants BURNING

                                (I reckon snarf blew the money on the horses…. Something like that anyway)

                                Well, I did have a flutter on the Grand National sweepstake that did the rounds here the other day. A whole quid…

                                Last of the big spenders, hey. =o)

                                #1070748
                                General Lighting
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                                  J. B’Stard. wrote:
                                  Exactly. Radio 4 is worth the money alone.

                                  i’d grudgingly admit to this but not a whole £150 – halve it and I’d pay it without problems

                                  dump a few of the tired celebs and the middle management cliques and let some new talent in – what appears to be happening is that these cliques are keeping their power and the new entrants to the BBC are being dumped on..

                                  #1070793
                                  andy ridgeway
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                                    i’d say that bbc3 has done more for innovative british comedy in the last couple of years than anyone else has, ever.

                                    #1070767
                                    27 super goat
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                                      General Lighting wrote:
                                      canada’s are OK; some of the French and German ones produce good stuff (but of course you need to to understand the language, or tune in on shortwave for English broadcasts)

                                      but do they have a choice? everyone has to pay the licence fee or they get nicked. Thats what I object to TBH

                                      I know Canada produces decent films and comedy. In Germany though the public broadcasters are not up to much (I used to live there). Some of the locally produced stuff is excellent but it’s very rare. Unfortunately the schedules are full of dubbed American trash.

                                      I’d much prefer to see a minimal licence fee being spent on programming that wouldn’t otherwise get made. That side of things has little to do with the commercial mass-market bollocks that ITV does so well.

                                      andy – radio 4 has done the most over time – the list of successes that started there is unending

                                      #1070752
                                      Mongo
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                                        Col wrote:
                                        budget btw

                                        just to be a gramma queen

                                        Seen 🙂

                                        #1070756
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                                          andy ridgeway wrote:
                                          i’d say that bbc3 has done more for innovative british comedy in the last couple of years than anyone else has, ever.

                                          well, bbc2 back in the day was pretty sweet, except it was almost all something to do with rik mayall. the boosh was easily worth the lisence fee for me. but it prolly only cost £7 and the second series had even less budget, dunno where the bulk of my bunce went. prolly on the planet earth series by attenborough, which was dope, and well pricey. still any more leaks about what the beeb actually spent the funds on would be cool. leaks ahoy! prolly on the infrastructure to set up all the new channels.

                                          the bbc sound be renamed the ministry of propeganda considering how impartial the news is.

                                          #1070809
                                          snarf
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                                            They have probably spent it on property development in Manchester. =o|

                                            #1070778
                                            J. BStard.
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                                              General Lighting wrote:
                                              i’d grudgingly admit to this but not a whole £150 – halve it and I’d pay it without problems

                                              dump a few of the tired celebs and the middle management cliques and let some new talent in – what appears to be happening is that these cliques are keeping their power and the new entrants to the BBC are being dumped on..

                                              Sure, there are celebs who don’t deserve their pay but you’re forgetting all the other things that the BBC offers; the wicked web services, the kids channels free from consumerism, BBC3, BBC4 (which I find myself watching more and more), even the Essential Mix is good at least twice a year.

                                              £150 is nothing at all when compared to the dross you pay for on Sky.

                                              #1070779
                                              J. BStard.
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                                                USE wrote:
                                                the bbc sound be renamed the ministry of propeganda considering how impartial the news is.

                                                You’ve obviously living in a parallel universe to the rest of us then. Have you never heard of Newsnight, Today, PM, or Question Time?

                                                :rolleyes:

                                                #1070753
                                                Mongo
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                                                  J. B’Stard. wrote:
                                                  Sure, there are celebs who don’t deserve their pay but you’re forgetting all the other things that the BBC offers; the wicked web services, the kids channels free from consumerism, BBC3, BBC4 (which I find myself watching more and more), even the Essential Mix is good at least twice a year.

                                                  £150 is nothing at all when compared to the dross you pay for on Sky.

                                                  i don’t watch TV gave it up about 5 years ago, we do have a TV in the house i share with 3 others but, i only watch if at all nature progs and films, but mainly i go and play in my room like a good little boy 🙂

                                                  SKY is wank !

                                                  #1070749
                                                  General Lighting
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                                                    27 super goat wrote:
                                                    I know Canada produces decent films and comedy. In Germany though the public broadcasters are not up to much (I used to live there).

                                                    Deutsche Welle had some good stuff – then again it was a few years since I last listened to them (the LAN in my old house was unshielded cable which killed shortwave reception). I have also let my German get too rusty 🙁

                                                    I’d much prefer to see a minimal licence fee being spent on programming that wouldn’t otherwise get made. That side of things has little to do with the commercial mass-market bollocks that ITV does so well.

                                                    thats exactly the sort of thing I would like to see the BBC doing

                                                    as for infrastructure they already spent a load of cash for that 8 years ago, but they could well have gutted out half their studios, sold the stuff off cheap and then paid over the odds yet again for new kit; they have a habit of doing stuff like this and thats where the money goes…

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                                                    andy – radio 4 has done the most over time – the list of successes that started there is unending

                                                    local radio could improve big time though – a few hours every weekend for local urban music instead of pandering to middle englands tastes all the time… I’d like to be able to hear D&B and techno on radio Suffolk at the weekends, not country and western – FFS Needham Market is not nashville even if you do have a cow or two…

                                                    #1070794
                                                    andy ridgeway
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                                                      J. B’Stard. wrote:
                                                      You’ve obviously living in a parallel universe to the rest of us then. Have you never heard of Newsnight, Today, PM, or Question Time?

                                                      :rolleyes:

                                                      i see your paxman

                                                      and raise you a sacked greg dyke

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