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June 12, 2005 at 10:59 pm #1036505
interesting program on radio 3 tonight (sunday 12th) click here
andy kershaw goes to iranian underground rave
very very illegally
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the DJ he interviews said last time he was arrested he was “whipped with a belt”
June 13, 2005 at 9:05 am #1065955funny how auntie bury this programme on radio 3 when they already have two more appropriate outlets, radio 1 and 1xtra
most radio 3 listeners I know would support whipping people who have anything to do with illgal raves!
OTOH if they TXd it on R1 I suppose they would get complaints from cops etc that they were encouraging unlicensed rave activity
June 13, 2005 at 10:20 am #1065959in fairness to auntie, it was predominantly a program about traditional Iranian music, but most forms of music and dancing have been outlawed
and musicians who even want to practice have to get a special permission from the government
the program also covered heavy metal bands, traditional musicians such as folk singers whose lyrics displeased the ruling clerics and a rave
andy kershaw asked the DJ “if people will stand up for their right to party, why don’t people take to the streets like they did in 1978 revolution and demand their freedom”
“we’re waiting for the right moment,” came the reply
music as social revolution… :biggreen:
June 16, 2005 at 11:01 pm #1065960http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/radio3/aod.shtml?radio3/andykershaw
check it while you still can… for a bit of cultural perspective
June 16, 2005 at 11:46 pm #1065968Anonymous
yea, im listening, its wicked.
i thought kershaw would have been more annoying, he’s actually well good.
June 17, 2005 at 12:05 am #1065961just wait for the “we experienced electricity and I skewered my tongue and cheek”
real stuff
if we could get this kind ofdedication to free parties we’d be runnin tings
:hopeless: :mobile_ph :biggreen:
June 17, 2005 at 12:11 am #1065969what the fuck? working yourself into a state of excstacy, then impaling yourself with skewers and electrocuting yourself in the mouth?
if freeparty people were doin that, we wouldnt be running shit, we’d be mental.
June 17, 2005 at 12:14 am #1065962USE wrote:what the fuck? working yourself into a state of excstacy, then impaling yourself with skewers and electrocuting yourself in the mouth?if freeparty people were doin that, we wouldnt be running shit, we’d be mental.
well maybe that isn’t your route then
but maybe you can catch my drift? ability to live without… preconception…
i know you know it to be true, USE :)))
June 17, 2005 at 12:32 am #1065970globalloon wrote:well maybe that isn’t your route thenbut maybe you can catch my drift? ability to live without… preconception…
i know you know it to be true, USE :)))
no, man i dont buy it. i dont think you can bypass pain, only put it in context. girls who whore themselves off or act in porn movies can deal with the mental strain because they have been abused already, in the same way that these guys can convince themselves it doesnt hurt, because of the horror they have experienced.
its conditioning. but yes, we are decadent, lazy fucks in this country. tv should be banned.
June 17, 2005 at 12:47 am #1065971i love the way kershaw is like “this is amazing, theres a party, and the organisers could get arrested!”
ffs, he didn’t have to go to iran to find that shit. fair play, he is making an important point that iran isnt how george bush would portray it to us, or tony blair, but britain isnt like they pretend it is either, and he makes this big show of supporting underground music, just so long as it isn’t in his own country!
lazy cunt.
June 17, 2005 at 1:05 am #1065972the bit about the rave was about four seconds long as well.
interestin prog tho. haven’t listened to the radio in an age.
what a lot of potential radio has. i cant wait tilll they bring out internet radio on walkmans, my mate can get it on his phone, but its well expensive.
makes me wanna watch pump up the volume with christian slater :groucho:
June 17, 2005 at 8:38 am #1065963USE wrote:and he makes this big show of supporting underground music, just so long as it isn’t in his own country!lazy cunt.
i’ve been listening to his programmes for about 20 years, on and off
always deemed him really supportive of grass roots musicians
but world music is his area of expertise
June 17, 2005 at 9:33 am #1065973globalloon wrote:i’ve been listening to his programmes for about 20 years, on and offalways deemed him really supportive of grass roots musicians
but world music is his area of expertise
yea, but does he seek out british raves so he can expose the inequalities in the british system?
no. he doesn’t want to rock his nice shiney BBC boat
June 17, 2005 at 10:25 am #1065964yeh but you don’t get much world music played at raves
and it is a world music show, after all
but I’ve always thought he’s been quite a challenging investigative journalist as well
so true, he’s not used his radio show to talk about how unfair it is that raves are outlawed, but in the past he has frequently used the BBC platform to criticise the way US, UK and UN cause death, suffering and misery to people in other countries
June 17, 2005 at 1:25 pm #1065974globalloon wrote:yeh but you don’t get much world music played at ravesand it is a world music show, after all
but I’ve always thought he’s been quite a challenging investigative journalist as well
so true, he’s not used his radio show to talk about how unfair it is that raves are outlawed, but in the past he has frequently used the BBC platform to criticise the way US, UK and UN cause death, suffering and misery to people in other countries
what counts as world music anyway? does it have to be made by skint peeps who’ve been tortured? or does it just represent their country’s style? if so i’d say dnb is world music, its a london and bristol born genre, which reflects british culture.
as i said, i guess home issues are a little too strong for the beeb execs to broadcast.
we may have less state censorship, but our governments better at gettin away with it, so its harder to report.
June 17, 2005 at 1:33 pm #1065965USE wrote:what counts as world music anyway?there’s a dictionary definition: Music from cultures other than those of Western Europe and English-speaking North America, especially popular music from Latin America, Africa, and Asia
I guess that’s because the western music industry is so dominant right across the world
June 17, 2005 at 1:46 pm #1065975oops, should have looked at that first..d’oh!
yer, i’m sure its just to give non western music a usp that cant be robbed by whitey.
June 17, 2005 at 4:53 pm #1065956world music definitions aside, I do think USE has made a very good point – although auntie clearly latch on to underground youth cultures (particularly the pirate radio stations from the 60s till the present day) – when do you ever see a BBC producer or presenter sticking their neck out to support our British underground music scene?
there is as USE says the “censorship” – but not quite journos disappearing like other countries, more that media jobs are (deliberately?) made hard to get and keep so you have to do what your boss says or risk being downsized… a far more subtle form of censorship
But there’s also a counter argument – what right does Andy Kershaw (rrepresenting the BBC and therefore Great Britain) have to go into someone elses country and commit illegal acts there for the purposes of furthering his media career? The Islamic Republic of Iran is a sovereign country. I naturally don’t agree with their countries policies, but a sizeable amount of their people and government do agree with them otherwise there would have been another revolution by now, and its up to Iranians, not foreign media groups to fight for freedom, if Britain is not to be accused of “terrorism” in other countries!
Lets assume this argument went as far as the Iranian Embassy and ended up on Radio 4…..Tehran was accused of being overly restrictive on peoples freedom and culture.
The Iranians could quite simply and correctly argue that
“we have not outlawed all music, they have merely had it licensed so it is appropriate and acceptable to our society. We note that even in Western nations, particularly in Britain, there is a system of licensing music events so they do not get out of hand, and the “liberal” British police deal very robustly with such events that are organised outwith the licensing process” Iran is merely implementing a version of these rules…
clear out our own crap before we preach to any other nation IMO…
June 17, 2005 at 6:16 pm #1065966when do you ever see a BBC producer or presenter sticking their neck out to support our British underground music scene?
John Peel was quite good, and i’ve heard some fully underground british tunes in bbc radio since his death… so he can’t have been the only one!
General Lighting wrote:clear out our own crap before we preach to any other nation IMO…i didn’t pick up any preaching or accusations in the presentation.
my reading was that it documented 1) Iranian music which cannot normally be heard, as there is no other distribution method and 2) gave an insight into the passion of people to play their music, even in difficult circumstances and 3) showed Iranian people in a positive, human light which I found a refreshing change to the ‘Axis of Evil’ speeches
I don’t really care if what he did was illegal… he’s done some brillaint programmes and investigative articles that have robustly attacked western policy makers (eg. Committee 661, who met in secret to decide what Iraq was allowed to buy in the oil-for-food programme)
and I met him at Glastonbury when it was still a Greenpeace / CND festy and he was up the front, in the mud, being sound
anyway… I’m not here to promote an aging radio 3 presenter
it’s the weekend
so I’m going to drink a cold beer and check out the opening night of exeter festival:biggreen:
June 17, 2005 at 6:24 pm #1065957globalloon wrote:i didn’t pick up any preaching or accusations in the presentation.its a good programme – viewed from a liberal Western perspective
and I admire Andy Kershaw for doing the activist stuff you have said and (rightly) having a go (in todays Grauniad) at bampot Geldof for his bandwagon jumping…
But he is still a puppet to a great extent, and an old guy who has a safer position than many at auntie. even so, if he tries to move independently he may find his strings are cut and he is thrown into the trash bin
I’m not thinking of Kershaw who is clearly a decent chap and trying to do the right thing but his employers and their wider agendas – the wider picture still smacks of “Auntie deciding what is good for our [former] colonies” – (I regularly listen to the World Service and although its good there’s still that “interfering nanny” ethos about it
And I still can’t see how a British broadcaster can criticise Iran for clamping down on musical events when the same thing is happening every weekend in our own country…
OK look at it this way
lets say a liberal Iranian or Pakistani reporter (yes, there are some!) came to Britain and went to one of our raves to do a report on Western music scene
do you think our cops would let him do it, or have him nicked as a terrorist?
and last time aunties reporters went “undercover” into a British underground rave it was a smear campaign to expose the crack use
June 17, 2005 at 7:27 pm #1065967General Lighting wrote:And I still can’t see how a British broadcaster can criticise Iran for clamping down on musical events when the same thing is happening every weekend in our own country…again, i don’t think he was criticising iran, just documenting (from a western liberal perspective)
but in fairness, it’s not the music which is outlawed in this country, but the lifestyle… underground british music can be heard / bought in many corners of the globe… the same cannot be said for the iranian artists who were able to snatch a little bit of airtime
and perhaps the story was intended as a parable?
Quote:OK look at it this waylets say a liberal Iranian or Pakistani reporter (yes, there are some!) came to Britain and went to one of our raves to do a report on Western music scene
do you think our cops would let him do it, or have him nicked as a terrorist?
if they got nicked / prevented from reporting by british authorities, it would be wrong IMO. AK did it and got away with it… more power him
and last time aunties reporters went “undercover” into a British underground rave it was a smear campaign to expose the crack use
i think this is a seperate issue about how bbc is forced to compete with commercial stations and a brain dead audience, and is under sustained pressure from society to make important things sound exciting in under 30 seconds
my final words: 1) i thought it was in interesting program, maybe i’m over the hill. 2) The media is fucked right up
June 20, 2005 at 7:46 am #1065958visited iran with some friends… great pills.. even better hash… really hush hush tho.. party scene almost non existent except for our hotel room of course!!!
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