@mungo1972 408072 wrote:

Hi General Lighting ,
Your right in the old days the colour of the extinguisher told you the type it was , as well as the writing on it . Now with EU regs , they are all red with writing and most put a colour band on as well ( for people that dont read or are foreign ) . I do think the old system was better as you just saw colour and knew straight away .

I know what you mean by bcf and co2 drenching systems in frame rooms or any electrical board rooms . Nasty shit , some places i used to work at the room would seal and drench the room in a secondary agent . Basically the room was starved of oxygen by the secondary agent , no oxygen no fire . Unfortunetly if you didnt get out in time …….you died !!!! unless you had rescue sets in the room .

regards
Mungo

yep we have a giant tank of fm200 gas in our server room… always MUST remember to disable auto release when going in there… or itll end badly!!

I think the Met hadn’t quite worked out how to kettle people yet, and they were only just installing all the CCTV…

raves then definitely were more interlinked with other alternative causes, but by the late 1990s the gary boys, hedonists and selfish libertarians had taken over the scene 🙁

cops use all sorts of jargon – for instance the term “riot squad” is not popular with cops, they are “TSG units” and a “riot van” is a “serial” (I think this is because the bobbies sit on long bench type seats and the sarge and driver are in the two in the front), apparently there are two different terms for a full charge with mounted units as opposed to just riding horses at people – the metpol press officer even said this.

the “hearts and minds” game needs to be won by the students, as the only way the cops can go from here is back to the bad old days of the SPG pre-emptively battering people – at present most normal folk don’t like this level of Police violence but our current tolerance was built around better economic times..

good article here…

“Some of them have fainted, and need medical attention, or the loo. They won’t let us out. That’s the point of a kettle. They want to make you uncomfortable, and then desperate, putting your route back to warmth and safety in the gift of the agents of the state. They decide when you can get back to civilisation. They decide when the old people can get warm, when the diabetics can get their insulin, when the kid having a panic attack can go home to her mum. It’s a way of making you feel small and scared and helpless, a way for the state’s agents to make you feel that you are nothing without them, making you forget that a state is supposed to survive by mandate of the people, and not the other way around.”

New Statesman – Inside the Whitehall kettle

and also a link to the conspiracy theory about the police van…. The mystery van | Latentexistence

good photo

@General Lighting 408260 wrote:

it is shit the students got kettled, but its minor compared to what used to happen at protests and between cops and the alternative communities in the 1980s and 1990s during the last recession

this is only the start of the protests though, can see the violence getting worse as people get more and more frsutrated on both sides…

see 9.12mins in to see the chief inspector cheerily saying right lets go punch somebody!

http://www.youtube.com/user/gabbernews#p/u/5/O26A0aw01h0
:hopeless:

@process 408262 wrote:

this is only the start of the protests though, can see the violence getting worse as people get more and more frsutrated on both sides…

yep, but unfortunately when it happened in the 1980s all that did was result in the protestors causes being ignored, and entrenched the position of centre-right govt in this country – from 1979 to 1997 😥

there just isn’t the support in this country for (progressive) activism, the activists themselves are all divided (or can be divided with enough pressure) along class / race / gender lines and worse, we are infecting the foreigners in Europe and beyond with support for the centre-right and even the hard right and pro-free market ideology as it gives short term economic gains (for instance its cheaper to set up a business in the UK than many other European nations as taxes are lower)

wow this is like a 1980s spy movie, Heiko Khoo (he appears to use an Anglicised version of a Chinese name without a full “Western name”) is actually an old style socialist funded by the Chinese Government :laugh_at:

He was apparently at the Tiananmen Square demonstrations but on whose side?

he doesn’t look that Chinese either, although its possible one of his parents are English and the other Chinese.

Heiko Khoo | Flickr – Photo Sharing!

Heiko Khoo – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the problem with protests in England is people protest for the wrong reasons – always lower taxes (such as the fuel protests) and individualist campaigns (faith groups etc) rather than solidarity with others…

What really sticks in the craw about this event is the sense of punishment administered by the police; the self-righteousness of the copper telling a protester that they couldn’t go home: there had been a breach of the peace. “Look, there’s been a lot of shouting and stuff and you’re all in detention”.

As Micheal Huing Thing says above: the police were not doing their proper job. Effectively, they punished the entire (published and lawful) march, because they failed to apprehend a tiny few obvious dissenters. Punishment is a matter for the courts and prosecution service. The police are there to uphold the law. (Once again) It would appear somebody didn’t get the memo.

I realise the above is probably stating the effing obvious but, if I was marching with fresh hopes and high ideals, this sort of behaviour would make me want to shout, weep and smash stuff up. The sheer injustice of ‘justice’. Where were all those ‘jolly-festival’ coppers at this massive PR opportunity? Waving a “My Daughter Goes To Uni Too!” placard with a cheery grin for the papers? Eh? Eh?

Disgusted,
South-East Uk

arrhhh i hope they abolish tuition fees. i don’t wanna be paying 12k+ a year for maybe up to 7 years. ridiculous.

awwhh.. people don’t often call my intelligent. i usually get called simple. 😐
i have a cambridge prospectus, i’m thinking of applying there if i choose to do chemistry. and ox-bridge courses will probably still cost close to 12k or more.
could try and get into edinburgh and get it freeeee.

and edinburgh is a good uni to go to. kinda wanted to stay around london/portsmouth though :/ but oh well, i don’t want to be paying off debts ’til i’m 40.