It’s probably a good thing he shot himself. I actually thought he’d try and have a Ned Kelly style shoot-out with the fuzz. I suppose one shotgun against 20 machine guns would only have one outcome though.

Yeah man he didn’t stand a chance really. Also this shows why you should never take steroids.

It properly fucks people up. 🙁

poor guy, poor people he killed, its a horrible world sometimes

@GiantMidget 390819 wrote:

I’m now actually feel quite sorry for Moat. Just been reading the latest news stories. One of the last things he said to police before shooting himself was “No one cares about me”.

Mentally, he must of been in such a dark place and felt so alone that shooting himself seemed like the only way out.

I know he fucking deserved being punished and what he did was wrong but this shouldn’t of happened.

The prison authorities said to Police he was a danger, why didn’t they act on it. Also why the fuck was he realised in the first place, despite him openly admitting he was going to punish his ex girlfriend.

Madness really. 🙁

because society is focused on revenge and punishment not helping people with mental health problems. People see criminals as almost another race, not people who could be themselves if they lost everything/had a different upbringing/different genes/different life/had a breakdown. Things will change if the nation remains wealthy, but it wont, so we wont. Then there will be war. And stuff. *sulks*

im thinking the same really. i know the guy was dangerous and just got out of prison, but they didnt seem to take into account his mental health state and were just treating him as a criminal who new what he was doing rather than someone who was clearly not right in the head and was a danger not just to the police, but to himself as well. But i guess when he’s making threats against the police and stuff theres not much they can do esp if they know he’s armed. just a shame that it ended like this when its clear that he was obviously very troubled and didnt really know what he was doing.

I think the situations a lot bleaker and society is way more divided than people will admit to.No ones yet mentioned that unlike the nutter in Cumbria at least 6 other people from the local criminal fraternity have been nicked by the feds who cared about him enough to assist him, supplying guns, motorcars and helping him hunt down coppers.

I do think there should have been early interventions, but once someone is physically strong and is able to bully and control others they will keep on doing it until the whole of society shows them it is wrong (which is ultimately what the cops were trying to do). At least we are in the UK where they tried to negotiate and take him alive.

In many foreign nations including other “right on” European places police snipers would have just shot him (justifying it by the fact he had committed one murder), so in those countries the nutters tend to use explosives as well as firearms. A case in point is a bloke in Estonia what murdered his missus, then calmly walked up to the cops (as if he was giving himself up) and and dropped a 3 second grenade with the pin out right at their feet! He took out a trained female officer who was the negotiator, a police dog and a brand new patrol car (about €150 000+ worth of public money as well as lives lost)

I think intervention has to happen much earlier at end of junior school/start of high school age and bullies need to be retrained then. If it means a bit of “minority report” stuff so be it. Otherwise more blood will be shed.

to be fair youth workers in London and such places are trying it but it takes public money, and here we are as relatively affluent middle class young people in a rich country moaning about taxes on fuel, VAT, income tax..

I’ve followed loads of armed sieges/hostage situations over the years (including listening to one on a radio scanner a few years back) and cops rarely arrest “hostages”! yes they are interviewed for statements but not arrested and charged unless its a inside job like someone being “kidnapped” to do a bank.

in todays Britain with greater human rights cops can’t arrest people without enough evidence – the wider point is if someone has used serious violence against others even if they are your best mate, decent society expects you to turn them over to the authorities and not shelter them, otherwise in doing so you are justifying their violence and should expect to have to justify your actions in Court! in other cases it may be a case of self defence or just simple fear of the consequences of “grassing”, but it has to be investigated in Court otherwise its mob rule. This is exactly what is happening in London where thugs and murderers are being sheltered on estates and thus gaining power and control as people don’t want to talk to the Met.

Even if his helpers are proven to be “innocent”, a Geordie chap on another forum I’m on pointed out a lot of local scallies were buying orange t-shirts and getting their hair cut short and he was (and is) being viewed a local hero in that part of the world. No worse than Londoners worshipping Harry Roberts but still celebrating a culture of violence.

what this shows is a wider undercurrent of hatred, anger, misogyny and violence which can be directed by groups of young men against anyone just like in the 1970s/1980s and I expect city areas of Britain may well return to the social unrest I remember from those days.

@JRGiger 405074 wrote:

What exactly did he do?

were you living in a cave at the time?

@JRGiger 405087 wrote:

I dont take much notice of crime, nor do I read or watch the news. Peoples IQ tends to drop and they get more emotionally involved on the matter.

he was a dodgy criminal type who had a total brake down killed/shot about 3 people including a copper so the OB hunted him down and killed him.

well, they shot him with an unlicensed tazer whilst he was holding a shotgun to his face.

@Iacchus 405097 wrote:

Depends where you get your news, it’s not hard to avoid arbitrary news or emotive reporting if you read e.g. the guardian. It will be harder to function in society if you ignore ALL current affairs. Of course that might suit you 😉

It’s not the reporters that bother me, it’s the discussion of it.
It usually all boils down to “That man is sick/wrong/or in some shape or form mentally deffective. He should be killed” Or maybe something about rotting in jail.
Unless of course it’s rape which is nearly always “CHOP ‘IS NADS OFF!” Or, once again, execution.

@1984 405099 wrote:

although it must be said at 16 I had better things to do

True, people who I dont know nor care for murdering other people in the same catergory is not a priority to me.

i use the GL news outlet