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July 13, 2011 at 6:23 pm #1165504
My bastard head is pounding pounding!!!
I’m thinking alcohol might thin me blood 😛
July 13, 2011 at 7:10 pm #1129295@hat 443751 wrote:
yeah, they’re both clever girls and they’ve never done anything wrong so i don’t know why they did it. and they’re two of my best friends, i don’t want them to get kicked out 🙁 but she drank half a 500ml bottle of vodka on it’s own and she hasn’t drunk before, was a bit stupid. the called an ambulance and everything, somebody should have just taken her home to lie down for a bit before anyone found out.
it is fairly normal for “clever” people to rebel from year 11 onwards and also year 12/13 (I think I got it right this time, it was called sixth form when I was there) and even to early University age.
I know I did and in hindsight I was very fucking lucky not to get sectioned or even banged up for some of the things I did. Thankfully I stopped short of using violence towards others but a lot of lads I know did not, and I didn’t torch the school either (though if I wanted to I could have done a bloody good job of it, back then I was doing the sort of “experiments” that if a British Asian lad tried today he’d be in Paddington Green nick..)
I expect it is unlikely they will get expelled if they still have potential to do well in exams as and its out of character as it wasn’t illegal drugs and the institutions league table will be affected by removing good students.
23 years ago when I was getting really stressed about GCSEs etc in one physics lesson I just picked up this chair and slung it across the classroom (not at anyone, just into a bench) and walked straight out of class. I was stone cold sober too, I didn’t even touch drugs or booze then, it was just pure anger.
The teacher was so shocked she didn’t even do anything – I didn’t even get detention or anything of the sort and I’d fully expected to be up before the Headmaster for it (but it was out of character). That said I also kicked off in Uni a few times, which (as well as hacking computers to get to the Internet) was probably why they nearly did have me arrested in the end and I had to leave.
Some people, though they may be “clever”, simply cannot handle the pressure situations of being made to learn stuff you aren’t that interested in at the education systems pace and then have to sit exams on it.
I am one of these people. Its how a lot of otherwise intelligent people end up with criminal records and/or mental health problems at an early age – and if they are unlucky, the consequences of these impulsive acts often stay with them for life. its a harsh situation but unfortunately society is competitive and judgemental and in the UK there are so many kids born in some areas and people start families early that society can afford to throw a few on the the scrapheap each year.
July 13, 2011 at 7:10 pm #1151095@hat 443751 wrote:
yeah, they’re both clever girls and they’ve never done anything wrong so i don’t know why they did it. and they’re two of my best friends, i don’t want them to get kicked out 🙁 but she drank half a 500ml bottle of vodka on it’s own and she hasn’t drunk before, was a bit stupid. the called an ambulance and everything, somebody should have just taken her home to lie down for a bit before anyone found out.
it is fairly normal for “clever” people to rebel from year 11 onwards and also year 12/13 (I think I got it right this time, it was called sixth form when I was there) and even to early University age.
I know I did and in hindsight I was very fucking lucky not to get sectioned or even banged up for some of the things I did. Thankfully I stopped short of using violence towards others but a lot of lads I know did not, and I didn’t torch the school either (though if I wanted to I could have done a bloody good job of it, back then I was doing the sort of “experiments” that if a British Asian lad tried today he’d be in Paddington Green nick..)
I expect it is unlikely they will get expelled if they still have potential to do well in exams as and its out of character as it wasn’t illegal drugs and the institutions league table will be affected by removing good students.
23 years ago when I was getting really stressed about GCSEs etc in one physics lesson I just picked up this chair and slung it across the classroom (not at anyone, just into a bench) and walked straight out of class. I was stone cold sober too, I didn’t even touch drugs or booze then, it was just pure anger.
The teacher was so shocked she didn’t even do anything – I didn’t even get detention or anything of the sort and I’d fully expected to be up before the Headmaster for it (but it was out of character). That said I also kicked off in Uni a few times, which (as well as hacking computers to get to the Internet) was probably why they nearly did have me arrested in the end and I had to leave.
Some people, though they may be “clever”, simply cannot handle the pressure situations of being made to learn stuff you aren’t that interested in at the education systems pace and then have to sit exams on it.
I am one of these people. Its how a lot of otherwise intelligent people end up with criminal records and/or mental health problems at an early age – and if they are unlucky, the consequences of these impulsive acts often stay with them for life. its a harsh situation but unfortunately society is competitive and judgemental and in the UK there are so many kids born in some areas and people start families early that society can afford to throw a few on the the scrapheap each year.
July 13, 2011 at 7:34 pm #1128871Anonymous
they aren’t “rebels” though, i don’t know why she did it. she’s not under pressure or upset or going a bit crazy, just a random, impulsive thing i think. would have been fine but i think she just prolly didn’t know her limits. she’s doing okay now though, she always tells me how i’m the most intelligent dumbass she knows, so i just text her telling her that she’s the most stupid dumbass i know to cheer her up 😀
July 13, 2011 at 7:34 pm #1150347they aren’t “rebels” though, i don’t know why she did it. she’s not under pressure or upset or going a bit crazy, just a random, impulsive thing i think. would have been fine but i think she just prolly didn’t know her limits. she’s doing okay now though, she always tells me how i’m the most intelligent dumbass she knows, so i just text her telling her that she’s the most stupid dumbass i know to cheer her up 😀
July 13, 2011 at 8:19 pm #1129296@hat 443777 wrote:
they aren’t “rebels” though, i don’t know why she did it. she’s not under pressure or upset or going a bit crazy, just a random, impulsive thing i think.
although girls talk about their emotions more than boys, people do still often hide their real feelings behind bravado and precisely this kind of impulsive behaviour. Even if she isn’t a habitual or known rebel, its not that normal or socially accepted to drink alcohol in a place of education or during the working day so there has to be a reason for someone intelligent who would be aware of normal social protocol doing this.
July 13, 2011 at 8:19 pm #1151098@hat 443777 wrote:
they aren’t “rebels” though, i don’t know why she did it. she’s not under pressure or upset or going a bit crazy, just a random, impulsive thing i think.
although girls talk about their emotions more than boys, people do still often hide their real feelings behind bravado and precisely this kind of impulsive behaviour. Even if she isn’t a habitual or known rebel, its not that normal or socially accepted to drink alcohol in a place of education or during the working day so there has to be a reason for someone intelligent who would be aware of normal social protocol doing this.
July 13, 2011 at 8:46 pm #1128873hmmm but really, she’s fine. it seriously was just some random thing. she’s not that intelligent to be honest.. (haha that sounds so mean but i can say it cos she’s my bff). i think she kind of thought she would do it cos everyone else did and cos she doesn’t drink she didn’t realise it was such a bad idea. she’s never gonna live it down though, i tell you now 😉 i’m gonna make a mockery of her forevermore.
July 13, 2011 at 8:46 pm #1150350hmmm but really, she’s fine. it seriously was just some random thing. she’s not that intelligent to be honest.. (haha that sounds so mean but i can say it cos she’s my bff). i think she kind of thought she would do it cos everyone else did and cos she doesn’t drink she didn’t realise it was such a bad idea. she’s never gonna live it down though, i tell you now 😉 i’m gonna make a mockery of her forevermore.
July 13, 2011 at 8:55 pm #1129297@hat 443791 wrote:
i think she kind of thought she would do it cos everyone else did and cos she doesn’t drink she didn’t realise it was such a bad idea.
actually thinking back (it is 20+ years though) I do remember a trend at year 11/12/13 of bringing alcohol into school (drugs were much harder to get then) but the idea was not to get busted.. but it certainly was a way of kicking back at the system.
about 4 years ago when I was partying with a lot of my younger friends I remember one lad what was about 15/16 still caning loads of MDMA and acid on Sunday afternoon – in the end his mates virtually carried him out of there… He wasn’t badly ill or in any life threatening danger but I felt a bit sorry for him as even at my age I could still imagine how hellish school would be on a comedown – if I were in his situation I’d claim to be badly ill on Monday having “caught some lurgi”, or disappear somewhere and play truant, but thankfully I only sporadically took drugs at that age or I’d have left without any GCSEs, which a lot of young people round here do and then they end up still in further education college when they are 20 (and not a posh one like yours either…)
July 13, 2011 at 8:55 pm #1151099@hat 443791 wrote:
i think she kind of thought she would do it cos everyone else did and cos she doesn’t drink she didn’t realise it was such a bad idea.
actually thinking back (it is 20+ years though) I do remember a trend at year 11/12/13 of bringing alcohol into school (drugs were much harder to get then) but the idea was not to get busted.. but it certainly was a way of kicking back at the system.
about 4 years ago when I was partying with a lot of my younger friends I remember one lad what was about 15/16 still caning loads of MDMA and acid on Sunday afternoon – in the end his mates virtually carried him out of there… He wasn’t badly ill or in any life threatening danger but I felt a bit sorry for him as even at my age I could still imagine how hellish school would be on a comedown – if I were in his situation I’d claim to be badly ill on Monday having “caught some lurgi”, or disappear somewhere and play truant, but thankfully I only sporadically took drugs at that age or I’d have left without any GCSEs, which a lot of young people round here do and then they end up still in further education college when they are 20 (and not a posh one like yours either…)
July 13, 2011 at 9:03 pm #1128874infact, just spoke to the little nutter.. she’s suspended tomorrow but then she’s bacccckk <3 so i'm gonna take the day off and go spend it with her tomorrow cos i think she could do with a bit of harriet loooovin.
July 13, 2011 at 9:03 pm #1150352infact, just spoke to the little nutter.. she’s suspended tomorrow but then she’s bacccckk <3 so i'm gonna take the day off and go spend it with her tomorrow cos i think she could do with a bit of harriet loooovin.
July 13, 2011 at 9:23 pm #1129299@hat 443794 wrote:
infact, just spoke to the little nutter.. she’s suspended tomorrow but then she’s bacccckk <3 so i'm gonna take the day off and go spend it with her tomorrow cos i think she could do with a bit of harriet loooovin.
yep I had a feeling they would only suspend her for a day or something minor, its not as if she was on a 3 day mephedrone binge and then punched a copper.. I think these days 16-18 education places get paid per student and expelled ones don’t count so there is a further incentive not to expel people.
July 13, 2011 at 9:23 pm #1151102@hat 443794 wrote:
infact, just spoke to the little nutter.. she’s suspended tomorrow but then she’s bacccckk <3 so i'm gonna take the day off and go spend it with her tomorrow cos i think she could do with a bit of harriet loooovin.
yep I had a feeling they would only suspend her for a day or something minor, its not as if she was on a 3 day mephedrone binge and then punched a copper.. I think these days 16-18 education places get paid per student and expelled ones don’t count so there is a further incentive not to expel people.
July 13, 2011 at 9:40 pm #1128875well she doesn’t ever do bad stuff, so.. my other friend is in a bit more shit though. both of their parents are vaaaair angry cos they’re both strict catholics ^.^ sucks to be them. and yeah, i guess so. they receive funding for each course a student takes and i guess they don’t want to lose that. our school just became an acadamy so the head has more control over budget spending and.. last week they spent £7000 on new bins. there’s seriously one bin for every square metre, it’s such a joke. but it’s pretty hilarious, we keep sending the student council members to the meetings to ask for MOOOAR BINNNS.
July 13, 2011 at 9:40 pm #1150353well she doesn’t ever do bad stuff, so.. my other friend is in a bit more shit though. both of their parents are vaaaair angry cos they’re both strict catholics ^.^ sucks to be them. and yeah, i guess so. they receive funding for each course a student takes and i guess they don’t want to lose that. our school just became an acadamy so the head has more control over budget spending and.. last week they spent £7000 on new bins. there’s seriously one bin for every square metre, it’s such a joke. but it’s pretty hilarious, we keep sending the student council members to the meetings to ask for MOOOAR BINNNS.
July 13, 2011 at 10:10 pm #1129300I went to Catholic junior school briefly (around 1980/1981). It was full of scarey nuns, the main one was still there in 1994. But in summer 1980 we had to write some essay about what we had learned in the news – i wrote mine about the IRA and the Troubles and about all the bombs etc. This nun gave me 10/10 and said it was “grand” and my parents should be congratulated for letting me watch “grown up news” and not hiding the harsh realities of modern life from me like others do.
if that had happened today I reckon my parents would habe been getting a visit from Social Services (and maybe even the Old Bill) instead 😉
July 13, 2011 at 10:10 pm #1151104I went to Catholic junior school briefly (around 1980/1981). It was full of scarey nuns, the main one was still there in 1994. But in summer 1980 we had to write some essay about what we had learned in the news – i wrote mine about the IRA and the Troubles and about all the bombs etc. This nun gave me 10/10 and said it was “grand” and my parents should be congratulated for letting me watch “grown up news” and not hiding the harsh realities of modern life from me like others do.
if that had happened today I reckon my parents would habe been getting a visit from Social Services (and maybe even the Old Bill) instead 😉
July 14, 2011 at 4:58 am #1131501@General Lighting 443813 wrote:
I went to Catholic junior school briefly (around 1980/1981). It was full of scarey nuns, the main one was still there in 1994. But in summer 1980 we had to write some essay about what we had learned in the news – i wrote mine about the IRA and the Troubles and about all the bombs etc. This nun gave me 10/10 and said it was “grand” and my parents should be congratulated for letting me watch “grown up news” and not hiding the harsh realities of modern life from me like others do.
if that had happened today I reckon my parents would habe been getting a visit from Social Services (and maybe even the Old Bill) instead 😉
That’s cos in this day and age we are in a state of PC hysteria. I can’t wait for common sense to return to this land and the left wing idiots are thrown out in the street where they belong.
July 14, 2011 at 4:58 am #1167493@General Lighting 443813 wrote:
I went to Catholic junior school briefly (around 1980/1981). It was full of scarey nuns, the main one was still there in 1994. But in summer 1980 we had to write some essay about what we had learned in the news – i wrote mine about the IRA and the Troubles and about all the bombs etc. This nun gave me 10/10 and said it was “grand” and my parents should be congratulated for letting me watch “grown up news” and not hiding the harsh realities of modern life from me like others do.
if that had happened today I reckon my parents would habe been getting a visit from Social Services (and maybe even the Old Bill) instead 😉
That’s cos in this day and age we are in a state of PC hysteria. I can’t wait for common sense to return to this land and the left wing idiots are thrown out in the street where they belong.
July 14, 2011 at 9:58 am #1129301I don’t think the same would have happened in a C of E or Protestant school though (although of course my parents wouldn’t have sent me to one). And had we been in Belfast in the same era (where there is a large Chinese community) my family would be dealing with both feds and loyalist terrorists who had learned of the family address from leaked school records.
I understand most folk below 30-35 won’t realise this but Britain was a lot harsher place just a few decades ago and loads of heavy shit went on then.
Its not quite as simple as just “political correctness” as that was around in Thatchers day as well (except it also had a dogma that anything public funded was automatically bad and private business could work miracles rather than getting a balcance between the two).
The so called “left” and “right” wings of todays politics aren’t that different in comparison with the 70s/80s when views were much more entrenched – we had strikes, riots and bombs every other week, sometimes there was no electricity!
Far worse, there was active censorship and faith groups, particularly Christians, had even more real power than today. That said, the nuns did have a point – a lot of my friends weren’t allowed to watch TV after the 9pm watershed (I was 8 years old!) and there wasn’t TV in kids rooms, they were too expensive.
But even if I was a young adult then and we’d had the technology to set up PartyVibe in that era, it would have been closed down with BT and the Home Office handing over my home address on the strength of a phone call from Thames Valley Police – I would have been arrested within weeks on obscenity and youth protection grounds, slapped with enough charges that I would find it impossible to get an IT job in that region or even in the UK whilst today this site is tolerated and viewed as one of the friendlier and nicer places on the web and even the cops and authorities tolerate its presence.
Pop music was regularly censored – and stars what took even small amounts of drugs dropped from their labels and into the gutter. Newspaper reporters still tapped phones (though they had to nick BT uniforms and climb poles etc) and they would actively pass on info about musicians and artists taking drugs to the Police, and then be invited along to the raid.
Don’t be fooled – it wasn’t “common sense” ruling this land in the so-called “good old days”, it was white, middle England, Protestant Christians backed up by the Old Bill and the full force of the nanny state. It was the “lefties” (although not all were even that left wing, some were (somewhat bizzarely) Young Conservatives!) what fought for the right for young people to be able to even discuss things like drugs, sex etc freely and managed to reduce the hold authorities had over everyone. Stuff like acid house, Ecstasy, MDMA, the “yoof” media, free and licensed raves were a fightback against the mediocrity of that era.
I don’t disagree that in some areas things may have gone too far the other way but sacrificing freedoms previous generations fought for isn’t the way to go about it, not if you want to let the younger generations enjoy the fun we had (and it would be hipocritical not to).
Believe you me you do not want to go back to those times, and I lived through them.
July 14, 2011 at 9:58 am #1151106I don’t think the same would have happened in a C of E or Protestant school though (although of course my parents wouldn’t have sent me to one). And had we been in Belfast in the same era (where there is a large Chinese community) my family would be dealing with both feds and loyalist terrorists who had learned of the family address from leaked school records.
I understand most folk below 30-35 won’t realise this but Britain was a lot harsher place just a few decades ago and loads of heavy shit went on then.
Its not quite as simple as just “political correctness” as that was around in Thatchers day as well (except it also had a dogma that anything public funded was automatically bad and private business could work miracles rather than getting a balcance between the two).
The so called “left” and “right” wings of todays politics aren’t that different in comparison with the 70s/80s when views were much more entrenched – we had strikes, riots and bombs every other week, sometimes there was no electricity!
Far worse, there was active censorship and faith groups, particularly Christians, had even more real power than today. That said, the nuns did have a point – a lot of my friends weren’t allowed to watch TV after the 9pm watershed (I was 8 years old!) and there wasn’t TV in kids rooms, they were too expensive.
But even if I was a young adult then and we’d had the technology to set up PartyVibe in that era, it would have been closed down with BT and the Home Office handing over my home address on the strength of a phone call from Thames Valley Police – I would have been arrested within weeks on obscenity and youth protection grounds, slapped with enough charges that I would find it impossible to get an IT job in that region or even in the UK whilst today this site is tolerated and viewed as one of the friendlier and nicer places on the web and even the cops and authorities tolerate its presence.
Pop music was regularly censored – and stars what took even small amounts of drugs dropped from their labels and into the gutter. Newspaper reporters still tapped phones (though they had to nick BT uniforms and climb poles etc) and they would actively pass on info about musicians and artists taking drugs to the Police, and then be invited along to the raid.
Don’t be fooled – it wasn’t “common sense” ruling this land in the so-called “good old days”, it was white, middle England, Protestant Christians backed up by the Old Bill and the full force of the nanny state. It was the “lefties” (although not all were even that left wing, some were (somewhat bizzarely) Young Conservatives!) what fought for the right for young people to be able to even discuss things like drugs, sex etc freely and managed to reduce the hold authorities had over everyone. Stuff like acid house, Ecstasy, MDMA, the “yoof” media, free and licensed raves were a fightback against the mediocrity of that era.
I don’t disagree that in some areas things may have gone too far the other way but sacrificing freedoms previous generations fought for isn’t the way to go about it, not if you want to let the younger generations enjoy the fun we had (and it would be hipocritical not to).
Believe you me you do not want to go back to those times, and I lived through them.
July 14, 2011 at 1:52 pm #1131502Yeah you’re right mate. Things aren’t that bad really, I just like slagging off lefties lol
July 14, 2011 at 1:52 pm #1167496Yeah you’re right mate. Things aren’t that bad really, I just like slagging off lefties lol
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