Rant Thread!

[p0ly]

@p0ly 367946 wrote:

all i seem to do is sleep constantly all day =(

recently after this post i fell asleep and woke up now, whats going on!

[GiantMidget]

@MisterDuck 367931 wrote:

That’s not the Muslim extremists though, New Labour jumped at the first excuse to destroy civil liberties and privacy rights, in the name of “anti-terrorism” despite terrorism having been active in various forms for decades.

That doesn’t mean we should let the extremists get away with their shit though.

[GiantMidget]

@MisterDuck 367931 wrote:

That’s not the Muslim extremists though, New Labour jumped at the first excuse to destroy civil liberties and privacy rights, in the name of “anti-terrorism” despite terrorism having been active in various forms for decades.

That doesn’t mean we should let the extremists get away with their shit though.

[General Lighting]

@DJCliffy 367960 wrote:

That doesn’t mean we should let the extremists get away with their shit though.

They shouldn’t, but did we managed to deal with worse with less obvious disruptions to civil liberties. Perhaps thatcho and callaghan and whoever was in power before then (Heath?) did all the harsh stuff in secret (its only now coming out) and the real fault of New Labour was to be too honest to the people. Also a lot of todays folk can’t deal with bad news it seems (far worse is up ahead, as when we stop war in our country more will crop up in foreign lands and still affect us).

Incidentally how many of you actually have your mum and many other relatives living as Christians (a minority) in a country which actually has Sharia Law? I do.

Are any of you interested in the reality of how this works, why it turns up in Commonwealth countries or just want to complain about the actions of a minority in our country who aren’t gonna get anywhere with their ill advised protests?

[General Lighting]

@DJCliffy 367960 wrote:

That doesn’t mean we should let the extremists get away with their shit though.

They shouldn’t, but did we managed to deal with worse with less obvious disruptions to civil liberties. Perhaps thatcho and callaghan and whoever was in power before then (Heath?) did all the harsh stuff in secret (its only now coming out) and the real fault of New Labour was to be too honest to the people. Also a lot of todays folk can’t deal with bad news it seems (far worse is up ahead, as when we stop war in our country more will crop up in foreign lands and still affect us).

Incidentally how many of you actually have your mum and many other relatives living as Christians (a minority) in a country which actually has Sharia Law? I do.

Are any of you interested in the reality of how this works, why it turns up in Commonwealth countries or just want to complain about the actions of a minority in our country who aren’t gonna get anywhere with their ill advised protests?

[GiantMidget]

@General Lighting 367974 wrote:

Incidentally how many of you actually have your mum and many other relatives living as Christians (a minority) in a country which actually has Sharia Law? I do.

I don’t. how is it for your relatives GL?

At the end of the day all I’m getting at is I’m fed up of these extremist pricks spewing their hate at us (and getting away with it) and creating general ill feeling among the population of the UK. If we did the same thing we would be banged up straight away and quite frankly I’m sick of these double standards.

These extremists need to be taken care of because the more they allowed to talk nonsense the more they are going to create a backlash for decent Muslims (some of whom i am good friends with).

[GiantMidget]

@General Lighting 367974 wrote:

Incidentally how many of you actually have your mum and many other relatives living as Christians (a minority) in a country which actually has Sharia Law? I do.

I don’t. how is it for your relatives GL?

At the end of the day all I’m getting at is I’m fed up of these extremist pricks spewing their hate at us (and getting away with it) and creating general ill feeling among the population of the UK. If we did the same thing we would be banged up straight away and quite frankly I’m sick of these double standards.

These extremists need to be taken care of because the more they allowed to talk nonsense the more they are going to create a backlash for decent Muslims (some of whom i am good friends with).

[GiantMidget]

On a completely unrelated topic and getting back to a good old fashioned rant i fucking stacked it in the snow earlier. slipped over and proper fell on my arse. Not the one, luckily it was down an alley way so no one saw!

[GiantMidget]

On a completely unrelated topic and getting back to a good old fashioned rant i fucking stacked it in the snow earlier. slipped over and proper fell on my arse. Not the one, luckily it was down an alley way so no one saw!

[General Lighting]

@DJCliffy 367982 wrote:

I don’t. how is it for your relatives GL?

Its is not as bad as people fear but still you have to be careful what is said in public or online – SKMM (the Malaysia equivalent of Ofcom) don’t censor Internet like China but they watch as much as they can and if you put the wrong thing on a forum the cops come round – first they give you a bollocking and if it continues your PC gets seized. persistent offenders can be sent to jail.

However full Sharia law only applies to those registered as Muslims on the ID card, and religion is a much more central part of life. I think you may even have to put a religion on the ID card, being atheist is not accepted as an option, but most chinese put Buddhist on there.

Only Muslims are hassled by the Islamic CID (but they can ask for the ID card if you look “multicultral” enough to maybe be a Muslim). The level of enforcement of Sharia law varies, it is not as harsh in Kuala Lumpur (the capital) as in the “redneck” jungle areas (the ones you may see on nature programmes).

the real worry is a lot of British right wingers obviously disagree with Sharia Law for non-Muslims, but particularly right wing Christians and Jews (who still have a lot of economic power) would agree with religion being more prevalent in life once more.

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At the end of the day all I’m getting at is I’m fed up of these extremist pricks spewing their hate at us (and getting away with it) and creating general ill feeling among the population of the UK. If we did the same thing we would be banged up straight away and quite frankly I’m sick of these double standards.

a lot has to do with social class. as you may gather I am very supportive of pro-environmental stuff, but I find a lot of eco-protest actions disagreeable as they are hassling normal people going about their work. The man at EDF or EON does not go to work thinking “how can I fuck up the environment?” he is thinking “how can I make sure we have enough electricity in this cold weather?” – youghurt weavers climbing their towers and fucking around with their coal delivery systems helps nobody.

Ironically If they were Muslims they would probably have been dealt with by armed police! yet A lot of working class Muslims have already been shaken down by the cops, and most of them have been found to be completely innocent.

And you also never hear of George Monbiot or Mark Thomas getting kettled or properly roughed up at a eco protest, nor all those well spoken Oxbridge educated activists, nor Banksy being nicked for criminal damage.

I notice with both the kind of eco-warriors and the militant muslims what get left alone they have been to public school or uni and often studied with world leaders or their children. Many of these so-called actvists are in fact part of the élite which is precisely why they are allowed to fuck around..

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These extremists need to be taken care of because the more they allowed to talk nonsense the more they are going to create a backlash for decent Muslims (some of whom i am good friends with).

the scum have already won : the backlash has already started for anyone who’se skin is brown, you don’t even need to be Muslim! I’ve had to watch my back and be careful whom I trust like I was a 10-13 year old little boy growing up in the 1980s. I’ve survived it once and can do it again, but its just fucking annoying that its gone back to them days.

[General Lighting]

@DJCliffy 367982 wrote:

I don’t. how is it for your relatives GL?

Its is not as bad as people fear but still you have to be careful what is said in public or online – SKMM (the Malaysia equivalent of Ofcom) don’t censor Internet like China but they watch as much as they can and if you put the wrong thing on a forum the cops come round – first they give you a bollocking and if it continues your PC gets seized. persistent offenders can be sent to jail.

However full Sharia law only applies to those registered as Muslims on the ID card, and religion is a much more central part of life. I think you may even have to put a religion on the ID card, being atheist is not accepted as an option, but most chinese put Buddhist on there.

Only Muslims are hassled by the Islamic CID (but they can ask for the ID card if you look “multicultral” enough to maybe be a Muslim). The level of enforcement of Sharia law varies, it is not as harsh in Kuala Lumpur (the capital) as in the “redneck” jungle areas (the ones you may see on nature programmes).

the real worry is a lot of British right wingers obviously disagree with Sharia Law for non-Muslims, but particularly right wing Christians and Jews (who still have a lot of economic power) would agree with religion being more prevalent in life once more.

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At the end of the day all I’m getting at is I’m fed up of these extremist pricks spewing their hate at us (and getting away with it) and creating general ill feeling among the population of the UK. If we did the same thing we would be banged up straight away and quite frankly I’m sick of these double standards.

a lot has to do with social class. as you may gather I am very supportive of pro-environmental stuff, but I find a lot of eco-protest actions disagreeable as they are hassling normal people going about their work. The man at EDF or EON does not go to work thinking “how can I fuck up the environment?” he is thinking “how can I make sure we have enough electricity in this cold weather?” – youghurt weavers climbing their towers and fucking around with their coal delivery systems helps nobody.

Ironically If they were Muslims they would probably have been dealt with by armed police! yet A lot of working class Muslims have already been shaken down by the cops, and most of them have been found to be completely innocent.

And you also never hear of George Monbiot or Mark Thomas getting kettled or properly roughed up at a eco protest, nor all those well spoken Oxbridge educated activists, nor Banksy being nicked for criminal damage.

I notice with both the kind of eco-warriors and the militant muslims what get left alone they have been to public school or uni and often studied with world leaders or their children. Many of these so-called actvists are in fact part of the élite which is precisely why they are allowed to fuck around..

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These extremists need to be taken care of because the more they allowed to talk nonsense the more they are going to create a backlash for decent Muslims (some of whom i am good friends with).

the scum have already won : the backlash has already started for anyone who’se skin is brown, you don’t even need to be Muslim! I’ve had to watch my back and be careful whom I trust like I was a 10-13 year old little boy growing up in the 1980s. I’ve survived it once and can do it again, but its just fucking annoying that its gone back to them days.

[p0ly]

why won’t someone give their undying love to me, this calls for a thread

[p0ly]

why won’t someone give their undying love to me, this calls for a thread

[General Lighting]

As for all these marches, protests etc I think the govt should have the balls to declare a real state of emergency/war and ban every one (i.e every political/environmental protest of both the left and right wing) unless licensed, exactly the same as they did in World War II – the only street processions permitted should be civillian and military funerals. Yes, this is a massive removal of freedom of movement by British standards (though not by world standards) and should of course not be permanent but only exist until all UK troops are returned home, and that the economy has recovered to the point where our public sector authorities can afford the cost of dealing with these kind of protest.

There should be no restriction however on online discussions/campaigning.

A blanket ban would at least be fair to all, yes their is the argument that people would march anyway but the cops can put a stop to that. consider that far more harmless unlicnesed raves have been stopped in many areas anyway…

what annoys me more is there is not enough bad news in this country or it is not properly being reported – people are in denial about the scope of the war or the recession or anything like that…

[General Lighting]

As for all these marches, protests etc I think the govt should have the balls to declare a real state of emergency/war and ban every one (i.e every political/environmental protest of both the left and right wing) unless licensed, exactly the same as they did in World War II – the only street processions permitted should be civillian and military funerals. Yes, this is a massive removal of freedom of movement by British standards (though not by world standards) and should of course not be permanent but only exist until all UK troops are returned home, and that the economy has recovered to the point where our public sector authorities can afford the cost of dealing with these kind of protest.

There should be no restriction however on online discussions/campaigning.

A blanket ban would at least be fair to all, yes their is the argument that people would march anyway but the cops can put a stop to that. consider that far more harmless unlicnesed raves have been stopped in many areas anyway…

what annoys me more is there is not enough bad news in this country or it is not properly being reported – people are in denial about the scope of the war or the recession or anything like that…

[MisterDuck]

@General Lighting 367993 wrote:

As for all these marches, protests etc I think the govt should have the balls to declare a real state of emergency/war and ban every one (i.e every political/environmental protest of both the left and right wing) unless licensed, exactly the same as they did in World War II – the only street processions permitted should be civillian and military funerals. Yes, this is a massive removal of freedom of movement by British standards (though not by world standards) and should of course not be permanent but only exist until all UK troops are returned home, and that the economy has recovered to the point where our public sector authorities can afford the cost of dealing with these kind of protest.

There should be no restriction however on online discussions/campaigning.

A blanket ban would at least be fair to all, yes their is the argument that people would march anyway but the cops can put a stop to that.

no thanks! you can’t restrict freedoms “for the greater good” it’s principally wrong. to an extent every protest already has to be licensed, police threaten to shut down unlicensed ones all the time. i think a right to protest cannot be compromised.

[MisterDuck]

@General Lighting 367993 wrote:

As for all these marches, protests etc I think the govt should have the balls to declare a real state of emergency/war and ban every one (i.e every political/environmental protest of both the left and right wing) unless licensed, exactly the same as they did in World War II – the only street processions permitted should be civillian and military funerals. Yes, this is a massive removal of freedom of movement by British standards (though not by world standards) and should of course not be permanent but only exist until all UK troops are returned home, and that the economy has recovered to the point where our public sector authorities can afford the cost of dealing with these kind of protest.

There should be no restriction however on online discussions/campaigning.

A blanket ban would at least be fair to all, yes their is the argument that people would march anyway but the cops can put a stop to that.

no thanks! you can’t restrict freedoms “for the greater good” it’s principally wrong. to an extent every protest already has to be licensed, police threaten to shut down unlicensed ones all the time. i think a right to protest cannot be compromised.

[General Lighting]

@MisterDuck 367995 wrote:

no thanks! you can’t restrict freedoms “for the greater good” it’s principally wrong. to an extent every protest already has to be licensed, police threaten to shut down unlicensed ones all the time. i think a right to protest cannot be compromised.

In peacetime, yes.

This is not peacetime. it is the largest, and most drawn out military conflict the UK has ever been involved in in my lifetime and I lived through IRA attacks, the Falklands, the first Gulf War and Bosnia. With the exception of Bosnia, which UK troops were only indirectly and briefly involved in via NATO most of these conflicts were comparatively short lived.

We have been at war for longer than World War II now.

The cause of the war is not even religion but the British’s peoples hunger for resources such as oil, and at present there is no end to it. OK its not like the world war II we see on films and telly as the UK has not come under direct air attack and is very unlikely to do so, but we have got foreign extremists causing increasing amounts of civil disturbance on our own soil and there is still a constant threat to it, and British life has fundamentally changed for the worse.

As one group is stopped, others want to take revenge, we have seen how the extreme right whites are making IEDs, the only reason they aren’t getting too far is they use old WW II designs that MI5 are well familiar with.

Normal people have already said if the extremist Muslims march in their town they will go into the streets and fight them hand to hand. Bear in mind not all these people (in fact surprisingly few of them) are white or racist – there are also Sikhs and Hindus who due to gang and tribal/cultural loyalties and the young mans desire to fight would love to have a pop at the Muslims, especially in SE England towns such as Reading, Slough, Aylesbury etc.

The extremists know this and are prepared for a fight. The same applies to a large male contingent of the animal rights and eco warriors, many of whom came from the footy hooligan scene. (I wonder how many of them are also the ones what decide to “speak for the moderate muslims” against the EDL/UK casuals?)

If the protests are not restricted at least for as long as the war and economic recession continues, there is a major risk of 1980s style riots.

OK this country isn’t so bad that shitloads people will get killed as there aren’t that many guns and the cops will stop them fairly quickly but not before loads of innocent people have had their properties trashed and lives wrecked. Brixton and tottenham aren’t exactly multicultural socialist paradises today.

[General Lighting]

@MisterDuck 367995 wrote:

no thanks! you can’t restrict freedoms “for the greater good” it’s principally wrong. to an extent every protest already has to be licensed, police threaten to shut down unlicensed ones all the time. i think a right to protest cannot be compromised.

In peacetime, yes.

This is not peacetime. it is the largest, and most drawn out military conflict the UK has ever been involved in in my lifetime and I lived through IRA attacks, the Falklands, the first Gulf War and Bosnia. With the exception of Bosnia, which UK troops were only indirectly and briefly involved in via NATO most of these conflicts were comparatively short lived.

We have been at war for longer than World War II now.

The cause of the war is not even religion but the British’s peoples hunger for resources such as oil, and at present there is no end to it. OK its not like the world war II we see on films and telly as the UK has not come under direct air attack and is very unlikely to do so, but we have got foreign extremists causing increasing amounts of civil disturbance on our own soil and there is still a constant threat to it, and British life has fundamentally changed for the worse.

As one group is stopped, others want to take revenge, we have seen how the extreme right whites are making IEDs, the only reason they aren’t getting too far is they use old WW II designs that MI5 are well familiar with.

Normal people have already said if the extremist Muslims march in their town they will go into the streets and fight them hand to hand. Bear in mind not all these people (in fact surprisingly few of them) are white or racist – there are also Sikhs and Hindus who due to gang and tribal/cultural loyalties and the young mans desire to fight would love to have a pop at the Muslims, especially in SE England towns such as Reading, Slough, Aylesbury etc.

The extremists know this and are prepared for a fight. The same applies to a large male contingent of the animal rights and eco warriors, many of whom came from the footy hooligan scene. (I wonder how many of them are also the ones what decide to “speak for the moderate muslims” against the EDL/UK casuals?)

If the protests are not restricted at least for as long as the war and economic recession continues, there is a major risk of 1980s style riots.

OK this country isn’t so bad that shitloads people will get killed as there aren’t that many guns and the cops will stop them fairly quickly but not before loads of innocent people have had their properties trashed and lives wrecked. Brixton and tottenham aren’t exactly multicultural socialist paradises today.

[General Lighting]

BTW the “right” to protest by “marching in the public highways” really is a luxury affordable only to affluent “Western” countries whose public and private sectors can afford to pay for the financial losses caused by road congestion and disruption to business alone.

One reason the otherwise sensible and liberal minded people of nations such as France and Denmark elect right wing leaders is because they get tired by their lives being disrupted by strikes and protests, even despite a history of these being part of their culture. for this to happen so suddenly (in the last 10 years) clearly indicates a line has been crossed somewhere as to what is acceptable as a form of protest.

[General Lighting]

BTW the “right” to protest by “marching in the public highways” really is a luxury affordable only to affluent “Western” countries whose public and private sectors can afford to pay for the financial losses caused by road congestion and disruption to business alone.

One reason the otherwise sensible and liberal minded people of nations such as France and Denmark elect right wing leaders is because they get tired by their lives being disrupted by strikes and protests, even despite a history of these being part of their culture. for this to happen so suddenly (in the last 10 years) clearly indicates a line has been crossed somewhere as to what is acceptable as a form of protest.

[MisterDuck]

@General Lighting 367996 wrote:

In peacetime, yes.

This is not peacetime. it is the largest, and most drawn out military conflict the UK has ever been involved in in my lifetime and I lived through IRA attacks, the Falklands, the first Gulf War and Bosnia. With the exception of Bosnia, which UK troops were only indirectly and briefly involved in via NATO most of these conflicts were comparatively short lived.

We have been at war for longer than World War II now.

The cause of the war is not even religion but the British’s peoples hunger for resources such as oil, and at present there is no end to it. OK its not like the world war II we see on films and telly as the UK has not come under direct air attack and is very unlikely to do so, but we have got foreign extremists causing increasing amounts of civil disturbance on our own soil and there is still a constant threat to it, and British life has fundamentally changed for the worse.[/quote]

If British life has changed for the worst than do we not need to actively fight that change? I don’t think suspending civil liberties is a progressive way of doing that!

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As one group is stopped, others want to take revenge, we have seen how the extreme right whites are making IEDs, the only reason they aren’t getting too far is they use old WW II designs that MI5 are well familiar with.

Extreme right wingers are less of a threat now I reckon. Come on, they are not as bad as National Front days as a mass force are they?

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Normal people have already said if the extremist Muslims march in their town they will go into the streets and fight them hand to hand. Bear in mind not all these people (in fact surprisingly few of them) are white or racist – there are also Sikhs and Hindus who due to gang and tribal/cultural loyalties and the young mans desire to fight would love to have a pop at the Muslims, especially in SE England towns such as Reading, Slough, Aylesbury etc.

These people are mostly all talk, imo.

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The extremists know this and are prepared for a fight. The same applies to a large male contingent of the animal rights and eco warriors, many of whom came from the footy hooligan scene. (I wonder how many of them are also the ones what decide to “speak for the moderate muslims” against the EDL/UK casuals?)

animal rights campaigners and eco warriors are ex-football hooligans?! really?

EDL are. they are comprised of old casuals. i was out against the EDL in october, there wasn’t violence at this protest. ok some angst student idiots from the SWP might try and kick off but the majority were there to peacefully let it be known that we don’t agree with fascists marching through our streets unchallenged.

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If the protests are not restricted at least for as long as the war and economic recession continues, there is a major risk of 1980s style riots.

i’m undecided as to whether this is a bad thing or not. its more likely to be cause by economic deprivation and mass after 8 years of a tory government, admittedly started by new labour.

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OK this country isn’t so bad that shitloads people will get killed as there aren’t that many guns and the cops will stop them fairly quickly but not before loads of innocent people have had their properties trashed and lives wrecked. Brixton and tottenham aren’t exactly multicultural socialist paradises today.

since when were those areas ever multicultural socialist paradises? was the 1981 brixton riots not because of economic deprivation, mass unemployment, racial tensions and police abuse i.e. the swoop operation?

[MisterDuck]

@General Lighting 367996 wrote:

In peacetime, yes.

This is not peacetime. it is the largest, and most drawn out military conflict the UK has ever been involved in in my lifetime and I lived through IRA attacks, the Falklands, the first Gulf War and Bosnia. With the exception of Bosnia, which UK troops were only indirectly and briefly involved in via NATO most of these conflicts were comparatively short lived.

We have been at war for longer than World War II now.

The cause of the war is not even religion but the British’s peoples hunger for resources such as oil, and at present there is no end to it. OK its not like the world war II we see on films and telly as the UK has not come under direct air attack and is very unlikely to do so, but we have got foreign extremists causing increasing amounts of civil disturbance on our own soil and there is still a constant threat to it, and British life has fundamentally changed for the worse.[/quote]

If British life has changed for the worst than do we not need to actively fight that change? I don’t think suspending civil liberties is a progressive way of doing that!

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As one group is stopped, others want to take revenge, we have seen how the extreme right whites are making IEDs, the only reason they aren’t getting too far is they use old WW II designs that MI5 are well familiar with.

Extreme right wingers are less of a threat now I reckon. Come on, they are not as bad as National Front days as a mass force are they?

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Normal people have already said if the extremist Muslims march in their town they will go into the streets and fight them hand to hand. Bear in mind not all these people (in fact surprisingly few of them) are white or racist – there are also Sikhs and Hindus who due to gang and tribal/cultural loyalties and the young mans desire to fight would love to have a pop at the Muslims, especially in SE England towns such as Reading, Slough, Aylesbury etc.

These people are mostly all talk, imo.

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The extremists know this and are prepared for a fight. The same applies to a large male contingent of the animal rights and eco warriors, many of whom came from the footy hooligan scene. (I wonder how many of them are also the ones what decide to “speak for the moderate muslims” against the EDL/UK casuals?)

animal rights campaigners and eco warriors are ex-football hooligans?! really?

EDL are. they are comprised of old casuals. i was out against the EDL in october, there wasn’t violence at this protest. ok some angst student idiots from the SWP might try and kick off but the majority were there to peacefully let it be known that we don’t agree with fascists marching through our streets unchallenged.

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If the protests are not restricted at least for as long as the war and economic recession continues, there is a major risk of 1980s style riots.

i’m undecided as to whether this is a bad thing or not. its more likely to be cause by economic deprivation and mass after 8 years of a tory government, admittedly started by new labour.

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OK this country isn’t so bad that shitloads people will get killed as there aren’t that many guns and the cops will stop them fairly quickly but not before loads of innocent people have had their properties trashed and lives wrecked. Brixton and tottenham aren’t exactly multicultural socialist paradises today.

since when were those areas ever multicultural socialist paradises? was the 1981 brixton riots not because of economic deprivation, mass unemployment, racial tensions and police abuse i.e. the swoop operation?

[GiantMidget]

@MisterDuck 368006 wrote:

EDL are. they are comprised of old casuals. i was out against the EDL in october, there wasn’t violence at this protest. ok some angst student idiots from the SWP might try and kick off but the majority were there to peacefully let it be known that we don’t agree with fascists marching through our streets unchallenged.

Were the fascist UAF there? I wonder whose side they will choose if the Islam4uk march does goes ahead.

The EDL have already said they will counter any march so it’s interesting to see where the UAF stands in all this.

[GiantMidget]

@MisterDuck 368006 wrote:

EDL are. they are comprised of old casuals. i was out against the EDL in october, there wasn’t violence at this protest. ok some angst student idiots from the SWP might try and kick off but the majority were there to peacefully let it be known that we don’t agree with fascists marching through our streets unchallenged.

Were the fascist UAF there? I wonder whose side they will choose if the Islam4uk march does goes ahead.

The EDL have already said they will counter any march so it’s interesting to see where the UAF stands in all this.

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