Since going to Symmetry last year i’m 100% up for the Psytrance scene with open arms, nothing i want more than a Psytrance crowd…. GET THOSE FUCKING DREADS OUT PEEPS.

I think some (closed minded) people see it as a bit too deep/trippy and weird to get in to and associated with magical pixies, fairies and the whole hippy mentality. This isn’t ‘cool’ when rave to them is just about hard and dirty and illegal instead of things like spirituality and ‘magic experiences’. A lot of my friends who are strictly into drum & bass especially, and some of the techno heads, will openly take the piss out of psy-trance and refuse to go near it without even knowing much about it for those reasons coz apparently it’s too soft and hippyish. This is a shame as some of it is really good music and the events and crowd that go with it have far more energy, creativity and positive vibes than other scenes (perhaps this is what puts some people off who just want boom boom in a skanky dark warehouse..)

@Kodama 423687 wrote:

Ahh, nice answer – cheers dude! I can totally see why people would be put off by the cosmic hippie vibes – I’m a dude with his foot solely planted in the logic plant pot and the cosmic 2012 fairy drivel does irk me somewhat. I just can’t get my head around the whole disliking positivity thing – don’t see why people would prefer to immerse themselves in unsafe vibes, esp. when the music can be just as hard, if not harder, at a psytrance event. Is fucking weird.

I don’t buy into whole cosmic hippie thing either, but it’s something different and positive and its nice to have around at an event. I think kids who grow up in some urban or suburban-wannabe-city environments often equate things like aggressiveness and law breaking with cool and fashionable and compete with music and free parties on how ‘dirty’ it is e.g. squats and dubstep – this all goes against the whole psy thing which thankfully is a little deeper

imo some of it is people who have too narrow minds or are unwilling to accept that other people may have different tastes to themselves so its easier to go along with the crowd and seem cool by not liking psy. obviously some people just dont like it. its also one of those things when you just look at a scene without actually getting to know it then it does all look the same, there all hippies etc because you havent spent the time to see the differences, in the music the different parties, different people that go etc. if your not familiar with something it is easy to just see it as a one dimentional thing and then judge it on that. i moved from the techno scene to psy and i used to slag psy off as well! :laugh_at:

personally i wouldnt say psy isnt commercial, if commercial means to make money from it then imo its one of the most commercial underground styles of music. dont get me wrong i love seeing big names i wouldnt normally see and the nice decor and stuff, but 10-25 for a squat party is ridiculous. there seems like so much competition between organisers to put on a better party than the other promotor. Seems like there is no unity in the scene in that respect. id be just as happy to go listen to psy played by random dj’s or whatever that you dont have to fly in and that dont charge money, but are just simply playing because of the love of the music, it seems to me that when promotors bitch about you should expect to pay this much because it has to be worth while for us to put the party on and we have to pay for this guy and that guy.. what actually happened about doing the party for the love of the music?? not for the money. most techno party’s do this so i dont see what the difference is unless it is all about the money. i dont care who plays the music or really what the place looks like, i go there for the music.

sorry bit of a rambling post to..

I don’t mind the music at all, but I knew over the years a fair few psy-trance DJ’s, promoters and fans and I’ve been really sceptical about how genuinely devoted all of them are to the “hippy” stuff. I’ve got nothing against that either, provided its genuine and not bullshit. However I’ve met a few psy-trance people whose “positivity” means they refuse to discuss or acknowledge any sort of “bad news”, such as how the Goa trance scene involved links with gangsters and corrupting the feds, and initially was almost neo-colonialism – after all how would they like it if loads of Indians bribed the Met to shift heroin in Uxbridge (I appreciate its a bit more integrated in recent times, but there’s still the issue that these and other foreign psy events sometimes take advantage of cops being too impotent to enforce drugs/licensing laws)

Although psy-trance events are generally safer than those of other genres, I’m aware of unpleasant incidents still happening including sexual harrassment of girls and security using extreme violence to oust “unwanted” dealers (i.e those what haven’t paid off the promoters). I don’t just mean what happened with Venom, this shit was going on long before Venom even existed – also on occasions promoters fucked up and picked a warehouse in gang territory and this caused security issues.

I’ve also always thought it a bit unfair that psy trance promoters had got away with blatantly holding what are quasi-commercial unlicensed events whereas everyone else has had to get licensed or risk getting their events locked off and their rigs confiscated.

that said when I was more active in free parties from the late 90s/mid 2000s we’d quite often have a psy trance rig amongst all the others at SE England squat parties.

I wish I could get into psy trance but it all sounds the same to me. It’s ok in small doses I guess – I like the trippy sounds in it, and there are some interesting textures, but a lot of the time it’s like identikit dance music – that same popping kick drum that sounds like a wet fart that seems to be used on every track, and same bass sounds. Also it never breaks down, it’s just a relentless beat. I guess that’s part of the appeal.

I go to a fair few psy nights and went to Boom 2008 as a few of my mates are really into it, so it’s not as if I’ve only heard one tune that I didn’t like and written off the whole genre. I just don’t like psy trance (and most of the pseudo-scientific hippy mystical stuff that comes with the scene). Sorry :hopeless:

I have seen that parvati some where, do you know iboga records?

@Kodama 423717 wrote:

I am honestly surprised to hear that the psy scene has more violence and bad goings on compared to other scenes. Is it a case of ‘undesirables’ entering the scene, or is this violence among people actually into psytrance? I’d find it hard to see how it’d be actual psy people fighting, esp. when the psytrance subculture is centred around psychedelic drugs, and the last thing people want to do while tripping ballz is fight, not to mention the fact that psytrance is full of hippies…

when you look at the scene as whole those so called hippies are outnumbered…

Kodama likes to moan about all types of music but his own psychedelic preference 😛 😛 😛

IT’S CHEESYYYY.

and you posted a Darkpsy tune! (not that i dislike darkpsy btw)