@AGENT 15 368186 wrote:

Are the bags clearly marked with what they contain? I would have thought it would be a stupid thing to do . Could they be approched to supply them unmarked ?

the (jiffy) bags are unmarked but always the same design of bag and same label. They probably come from the same area. where stamp cancellations exist and are readable, they show the same sorting office.

An x-ray scan would probably clearly show a sealed bag within a further bag, containing white powder, and a label saying “MEOW” – “and the chemical name” (I think the suppliers need to do this or their packages will be stopped under terrorism law!)

all they need to do is tell the posties in the area to look out for one postbox where they are collecting loads of said jiffy bags and track the packages from there.

if its being done at a Post Office even easier as these places have CCTV for obvious security reasons.

As its a legal grey area meph dealers tend not to be as surveillance-aware as they should be, most I have spoken to are drug dealers anyway but don’t think they are “doing anything “wrong” like dealing “real” drugs and to be fair its only in recent times the scares have arisen.

I’m not even particularly concerned and alarmed for myself but thought it worth sharing the info just in case it might help someone. My suspicions are its a “big picture” combined Police/NHS data gathering exercise of semi-anonymised geographic data to track usage and distribution patterns, and only big time dealers are being targeted particularly in the North and Scotland.

not really worth the effort as it also means that you have got something to hide, and cops are gonna think unless I’m gonna be getting a load of free stuff why am I helping a seller?

the clocks ticking for this stuff legality wise and good dexamfetamne is making a resurgence anyway so this was gonna be my last purchase anyway… I know the ACMD are supposed to make a report on mephedrone so I suspect all this is is them trying to find out how widespread the usage …

dexamfetamine is similar to meow (!) but slightly less euphoric. I’d be wary of taking it regularly during the week as it will cane your mind and body same as any stimulant.

@starlaugh – dexamfetamine is more “normal” in a work environment than meow – but even then there may be signs. Winston Churchill and some of the Kennedeys used it at work but they were powerful politicians who could get away with explainign the side effects (elevated body temperature/paranoia) as “stress”.

I made another test purchase this week and it arrived next day, albeit still without any automatic cancellation of the stamp. However the supplier had suddenlly changed payment methods.

I do wonder if some credit card companies are being told by the UK authorities to hold the money to the meow suppliers under our Money Laundering rules as a disruptive tactic, but some bigger suppliers can afford to lose or have delayed a days takings rather than whine about it too much…

this is the molecule. The label is identical but there is a straight bit instead of the wavy line. Presumably that means something, but I flunked A-level chemistry in 1990 (20 whole years ago!).

a further bit of info : I now think the extra days delay is just caused by by a combination of Royal Mail workloads and a possible practice of quarantining and security scanning anything in Jiffy bags – which I expect is understandable in the current climate.

Some dude in SE England from a bicycle company has sent me a small pack of rust-proof bolts and washers for the pannier rack on my bike and these have also taken an extra day. so at least the new packaging is totally honest and there is no reason for Royal Mail to delay the package even when scanned.

TBH I’ve not really got a problem with this, in todays angry world if it were someone trying to send toxic white powder or a shrapnel bomb to a enemy I’m glad for any security measures what could stop this!

update : of course I stopped getting 4-MMC sent to my home address when the ban came in – I got a couple of packages of m-butylone (before the vendor got closed down without incident).

but since stopping using the first vendor – every jiffy bag I have had of anything else (not powders) has come through next day… also these all had correct postmarks / stamp cancels for their area

now this original vendor has has had serious stock / supply chain problems since the ban (even for the “legal” stuff)!

I also found some info from the cops about how they disrupt Uk-based drugs by post businesses without changes in the law using existing laws… the head copper what wrote the paper (can be found on ACPO website) is from the same constabulary area where the vendor was based in..

so I doubt if they have bothered checking at my end but I definitely think that the vendor is being monitored by the OB/HRMC and they are doing everything possible to put them out of business…