If you were in the police and it was your job to stop raves (ie The TVP anti rave squad) squatjucie would be the most useful resourse for constantly updating information, of who was doin parties, where parties where happening, what rugs are most popular, if theres much voilence

its all written there, which is why people are very untrusting of new members or anyone lookin for partylines,

if i was ob an i wante dto find out about raves, id go undercover on sj

I think its a case of reading what has been wrote about partys and even legal events so they can try and prepare for the futre. Well known that C.I.D are monitering a venue where there are small legal events in my home town at the mo. Its not hard for them to pose as a raver and ask for a partyline number, thats why peeps try to keep things from new commers.

This scene needs to be kept on the Downlow for the sakes of us all!

O.B. :groucho:

OB raaa

the spitting is a new one (presumably since K became more popular) – but the ones we got in Thames Valley often dressed like what ravers might have looked like in 1989 (presumably when the training manuals were last updated)

mind you nowadays there’s probably enough 30-something cops who used to be ravers but either gave up, burned out or had a negative experience so crossed the blue line (people my friends know have quit raving and joined the old bill), so its stupid to assume cops don’t have good knowledge about how the rave scene works

I don’t think they try that many proper deep cover ops, as when the Met did this in the 1990s they lost loads of young officers who thought that raving and drugs was way more fun than following rules and ended up having to be sectioned/invalided out of the force…

jokes, until you realise it costs the public purse about 50 grand per cop which goes out that way (IMO they should have sued them for the cost of their training and salary)

oh yeah, and as Asians aren’t that common at raves I used to be accused of being a cop as peopel thought “they always send the “streetwise ethnic minority” officers on this sort of job…”

it was used with other evidence such as the cops’ own photos and statements from locals.

people were very careless and were using SJ gallery as a place to dump entire camera chips rather than selectively editing the pics

many pics uploaded shots of rig vans and rig people with registration marks, from landmarks in the background its reasonable proof

each gallery showed who it was uploaded by, its simple enough for the cops to also monitor the messageboard and work out from the threads who associates with who. And when arguments happen people tend to stick up for their friends and local rigs – loads of info leaks out that way.

also most rigs have distinctive speakers and sometimes banners that identify who they are, people would put comments like “DJ **** playing his set”

matched up with helicopter footage (which contains GPS position and timecode data), and other info CID have got on people there would be plenty of evidence for Court..

plus people who take photos didn’t think about metadata. As most of you who own digital cameras know (or should know) your camera stores a bunch of stuff in the jpg file such as the date and time taken, type of camera, shutter and aperture settings… most PCs on broadband sync to atomic clocks over the internet so their time and date is usually fairly accurate..

if this data isn’t removed thats more proof the picture of a certain place was taken at a certain time…

perhaps a better way to look at this issue is…

why would the Police not monitor every aspect of a youth movement which over the last 20 years has been heavily associated with drug use and other forms of criminality, and attracts a lot of young teenagers into rebellious and sometimes criminal lifestyles?

most rave forums are fairly unrepentant about a massive level of illegal drug use and other “naughty activities”…

I think though rather than get paranoid about “undercover infiltrators” people just need to have a bit of common sense. if cops want partylines they could get them easily from some mailing lists that send them out without any challenge, or even just nicking some random for drugs possession and checking their mobile phone (most people store partylines in their phones against the rig names!)

Even today cops still don’t always bother with shutting down parties if they are not done constantly in the same areas and don’t piss off loads of locals…

unfortunately it all happened around 1995/6 before the newspapers went online and was mostly reported in the Daily Mail which don’t keep good archives online anyway….

it was after Leah Betts died, the Eastern constabularies and the met went on this big mission and tried to crush the rave scene and infiltrate all the rave clubs.. ironically thats why there are or were so many illegal raves in East Anglia as many legal venues got closed..

the funniest one was the police dealing ring that was going on in the Ministry of Sound, that only fell apart because one cop did so many drugs he ended up freaking out, turned to Christianity and then grassed up everyone else…

are you talking about real communication?i don’t think it possible, sorry..at least until they will go on using their fucking violence to stop parties and any form of different way of thinking…until they will go on repressing everything not belonging to their “Law”…you can’t find a meeting point (??) with people like that,who only do what someone else impose them to do..what we should do, it’s convincing people that we are not criminals and dealers, so that we won’t be a minority any more and government and any kind of power would be obliged to change their rules..and police too, they couldn’t join (??) themselves with their stupid violence any more..

…probably I’m describing a world of fantasy,in which prohibitionism doesn’t exist, as well as private property…perhaps, one day…:hopeless:….

until recently this was the case – but the Police can take a digital photo with a helicopter flying overhead recording timecoded video and GPS locations with their footage of their evidence gathering team also taking the photos/videos (this is another reason why the photos are taken prominently by uniformed officers often wearing distinctive identification tabards)

Viewed together this is sufficient proof for Court that everyone was in the same place at the same time…

the use of ravers’ photos may be more problematic from a legal POV but ASBO proceedings only need the civil level of proof – plus as I mentioned previously modern cameras often store accurate timecode of their pictures; then you get people bragging on message boards about how big the party was, and even admitting to crimes/vandalism there….

This carelessness/arrogance – backed up with the evidence the cops have got with their own electronic surveillance; and witness statements from locals who complain about raves is plenty enough evidence for most British Courts…