Forums Radionics Internet Radio New Server for Level 1, Oddcast Update required.

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  • #1039510
    SdZ
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      You may have experienced some poor network performance recently on Level 1. This is caused by our current US hosts switching to a poor network. Although most of the time it is fine there are noticeable skipping and buffering issues at peak times caused by packet loss. This is no good for internet radio.

      Ive managed to source some new seriously juicy dedicated server providers in Europe and the US. They are offering up to 100 Megabit unmetered connections on to the Internet. This should give you an idea of the potential listener capacity bearing in mind the actual final (pooled) connectivity will range from 30-70 Megabits :

      30 MBps = 30,000 kilobits per second

      30,000 kbps / 96 kbps = 312 max listeners.
      70,000 kbps / 96 kbps = 729 max listeners.

      I estimate our current provider is giving us at best 50 – 100 max listeners.

      All radio streaming people / crews need to update their oddcast settings to avoid any problems when i move in a week or so :

      NEW Setting (will always work) :
      Server IP : radio.level-1.org.uk

      Will NOT Work (soon) :
      Server IP : level-1.org.uk
      Server IP : http://www.level-1.org.uk
      Server IP : 72.22.64.118

      Update your oddcast as soon as you can because if you dont it will cause you to not be able to connect after i flick the switch. I hope to be able to try out the new servers in a week or so. Please update asap.

      #1091872
      Raj
      Participant

        :obey::obey::obey::obey::obey::obey:

        yes sir, done SIR :groucho:

        #1091855
        Techno Viking
        Participant

          It’s good to know you’ve found a new home for level-1, congratulations…

          #1091861
          SdZ
          Participant

            N1 Raj :bounce_fl

            I dont seem to be getting much of a response about this update :/ i just hope the message gets out and everyone updates before i get my hands on the new machine.

            #1091873
            Raj
            Participant

              dont worry mate i will hassle the ones here for you if they dont post up that they have done it in 3 days time :groucho::groucho::groucho: you go get the rest of them :weee:

              [consider yourselves warned – i will bomb your inboxes if you do not post to this thread saying you have updated by thursday 9pm raaaraaaraaa]

              well done on finding new server

              #1091862
              SdZ
              Participant
                Dr Bunsen wrote:
                It’s good to know you’ve found a new home for level-1,congrats…

                Im going to be running 2 servers in the future. Im going to keep the US server for web hosting and have the new european machine purely for running all our icecast and shoutcast servers so we can use 100% of the new bandwidth for radio. raaa

                It makes sense to host the radio in Europe as 90% of our streamers and listeners are European.

                #1091857
                globalloon
                Participant

                  nice one SdZ 😉

                  i’ll get on the wire to SWU broadcasters

                  #1091856
                  BioTech
                  Participant

                    Good news!

                    Done.

                    ..and cheers!

                    #1091866
                    titch
                    Participant

                      Nice one!! have updated mine 🙂

                      #1091878
                      Shit Robot
                      Participant

                        Thanks Sdz all done!raaaraaaraaaraaa

                        #1091879
                        djruben
                        Participant

                          I updated mine too. thanks level-1

                          #1091867
                          ideosphere
                          Participant

                            have spotted it – but at work at the moment – will do it when I get home!
                            :groucho:

                            #1091868
                            ideosphere
                            Participant

                              Done :weee: :weee: :weee:

                              #1091874
                              Raj
                              Participant

                                time is running out for those of you who like having space in your inboxes …..:groucho::groucho::groucho::groucho:

                                get to it folks :weee::weee::weee:

                                #1091869
                                noname
                                Participant

                                  N1 SdZ… Having it in Europe should deal with the bandwidth throttling they seem to be getting into over the pond, along with that transatlantic lag… Was getting some seriously slow ping times some sundays, no matter what I did…:bounce_fl:bounce_g::bounce_fl:bounce_g::bounce_fl:bounce_g:

                                  So – next question… Now you have a spangly new server, any chance of being able to stream in ogg any time soon? 96Kbps ogg sounds so much better than MP3 :weee::weee::weee:

                                  #1091863
                                  SdZ
                                  Participant

                                    Thanks everyone 🙂

                                    noname wrote:
                                    So – next question… Now you have a spangly new server, any chance of being able to stream in ogg any time soon? 96Kbps ogg sounds so much better than MP3 :weee::weee::weee:

                                    True, ogg is far better. Ogg is also an open source freeware product (unlike mp3) which fits into Level 1’s way of doing things nicely.

                                    BUT 😉 there are a few problems : 😉

                                    The main reason is Windows Media Player & Winamp (over 50% of the listeners use them) wont play ogg streams without installing a codec/plugin. Im pretty sure we would see a significant drop in listeners if we did change over. Another reason is that most people send their mixes in MP3 and we would have to convert them (either on the fly or before adding to the loops) something which will probably take up too much time (and possibly cpu for on the fly) tbh.

                                    Our icecast servers are OGG compatible so you are more than welcome to have a play with OGG and see how well it performs and how many listeners you retain etc… Maybe do ogg next time the NoName crew streams ?

                                    Actually thinking about it our shoutcast servers definatly wont work with Ogg. I relay most of our streams (inlcuding PV) on to the Shoutcast network which unfortunatly has to be MP3 (or AAC). So the link to the shoutcast versions of the stream (http://72.22.64.118:9104/listen.pls) will fail when you do stream in ogg. Your listeners will have to use the Icecast link from Level 1 (http://www.level-1.org.uk:8000/partyvibe.m3u) AND not be using a standard installation of winamp or WMP. :crazy:

                                    I wish it were simpler and i would love to use ogg as standard over mp3 but its just not viable at the moment imho.

                                    #1091870
                                    noname
                                    Participant

                                      OK..np (I’d figured the first bit was probably one of the reasons – although a bit surprised winamp still needs a codec. Windows Media player never will support ogg as a default I suspect – doesn’t fit into the borg collective very well…:lol_crash )

                                      As a point of interest, the LAME MP3 encoder oddsock uses is now a bona fide Open source project (the ISO’s have changed completely since the original library was hacked). It’s being developed under the GPL, and has a project page at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ :weee::weee::weee:

                                      Still beating people over the head with VLC though… Everybody we get to try it mostly keep using it too ‘cos it’s easy to use and plays most every media type…:bounce_fl:bounce_fl:bounce_fl

                                      You’d probably start getting mixes in ogg if it was used – We only send mp3’s because that’s what oddcast is coding it in, and saving to raw wav gets a bit out of hand if we stream for 2 days… (had a very silly size wav file that I had to convert to wav64 before I could use it the first time we did this – wav files only encode properly up to about 1.5gig… 4gig wavs behave funny:laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:)

                                      Confused at the last bit though?…

                                      I was under the impression that you already did icecast>shoutcast in the server relay (I use icecast2 in the streaming software). The only difference would be in setting the mountpoint for the shoutcast to ‘/’ and telling it to put the metadata in the stream… This is already done for the relay to work to shoutcast at all… (I may be very confused however – the docs I’ve read for icecast made me go cross eyed and gave me a headache last time…:weee::weee::weee:)

                                      So the question is – Can I give ogg streaming a try? I’ll do it sometime quiet to try and get it working…:wink:…And it would be well worth it if it was possible. I don’t mind having to tell people how to get VLC working when I’m playing – the quality audio will be worth it.

                                      #1091864
                                      SdZ
                                      Participant
                                        noname wrote:
                                        As a point of interest, the LAME MP3 encoder oddsock uses is now a bona fide Open source project (the ISO’s have changed completely since the original library was hacked). It’s being developed under the GPL, and has a project page at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ :weee::weee::weee:

                                        I didnt realise, ive just read so much bad press about mp3 i presumed it would always be that way. I do actually use that sourceforge version for converting on-server aswell. Didnt even cross my mind 🙂

                                        noname wrote:
                                        Confused at the last bit though?…

                                        I was under the impression that you already did icecast>shoutcast in the server relay (I use icecast2 in the streaming software). The only difference would be in setting the mountpoint for the shoutcast to ‘/’ and telling it to put the metadata in the stream… This is already done for the relay to work to shoutcast at all… (I may be very confused however – the docs I’ve read for icecast made me go cross eyed and gave me a headache last time…:weee::weee::weee:)

                                        So the question is – Can I give ogg streaming a try? I’ll do it sometime quiet to try and get it working…:wink:…And it would be well worth it if it was possible. I don’t mind having to tell people how to get VLC working when I’m playing – the quality audio will be worth it.

                                        🙂 sorry bout that 😉

                                        Im a bit ill at the moment and finding it quite hard to explain :crazy:

                                        To avoid any problems i would use the mountpoint /partyvibe-ogg (or something). This will stop the shoutcast server being used but you will need to tell your users of the alternative listen link. I will go into more detail about our shoutcast/icecast setup another time 😉

                                        #1091858
                                        globalloon
                                        Participant

                                          i use VLC for file types that i can’t play in winamp, but apart from it’s ability to play so many files types, i find it quite a limited bit of software… the interface is dull.. visualizations are rubbish.. it’s plain frustrating re: playlists etc… pity reallyas it is so flexible and not thirsty

                                          #1091875
                                          Raj
                                          Participant

                                            since i never use the visualizations it never bothers me :groucho::groucho::groucho: they are one of my pet hates in WMP and winamp – they eat processor power and i am usually only listening to the music while doing something else 😉

                                            horses for courses? :weee:

                                            #1091871
                                            noname
                                            Participant
                                              globalloon wrote:
                                              i use VLC for file types that i can’t play in winamp, but apart from it’s ability to play so many files types, i find it quite a limited bit of software… the interface is dull.. visualizations are rubbish.. it’s plain frustrating re: playlists etc… pity reallyas it is so flexible and not thirsty

                                              Thing I like most about VLC is that it’s stripped down… You can add all sorts of bits and bobs to it if you really want to, but I just want a small footprint simple media player, that plays anything I care to chuck at it…:wink:

                                              I stopped using winamp when it went to the first re-design after getting bought by AOL (version 4 as I remember). It went from being a good app to trying to take over my PC… Totally screwed my windows installation (even more crashes from windows). Uninstalling it ended with me having to reformat. Did it to me twice too (I installed v5 when it came out)…Never again… If I want a bloated and badly coded media player, WMP comes pre installed, and is at least as bad….:crazy_diz:crazy_diz:crazy_diz

                                              >..SdZ – np… like I said, I’m just a bit confused (all my life:wink:). I’d like to try using ogg – I will persevere in getting people to the stream if necessary:weee::weee::weee: Got to get people using it somehow though – the mp3’s irritate me – only so much tuning can be done to make them sound halfway listenable. Ogg’s stream more efficiently too, so getting more people using them = more spare bandwidth…raaaraaaraaa

                                              Hope you get better soon:flowers::flowers:

                                              #1091859
                                              globalloon
                                              Participant

                                                @Raj]since i never use the visualizations it never bothers me :groucho::groucho::groucho: they are one of my pet hates in WMP and winamp – they eat processor power and i am usually only listening to the music while doing something else )[/QUOTE wrote:

                                                i like to use them to trance out mini-globalloon when i need to do someting else for 10 minutes

                                                also R4 is a wicked plug in that you can use ‘in the field’

                                                personal preference innit

                                                #1091876
                                                Raj
                                                Participant

                                                  try the hippo videos and the badgers for mini glo?
                                                  :groucho::groucho::groucho::groucho:

                                                  #1091865
                                                  SdZ
                                                  Participant

                                                    I forgot to mention also that if any of you have ‘listen in’ links to the radio these should be updated aswell :

                                                    e.g. Raj : http://www.level-1.org.uk:9104/listen.pls should be http://radio.level-1.org.uk:9104/listen.pls

                                                    Essentially these will not work when i upgrade :

                                                    Shoutcast :
                                                    http://www.level-1.org.uk:9104/listen.pls
                                                    http://72.22.64.118:9104/listen.pls
                                                    http://level-1.org.uk:9104/listen.pls

                                                    Icecast :
                                                    http://www.level-1.org.uk:8000/partyvibe.m3u
                                                    http://level-1.org.uk:8000/partyvibe.m3u
                                                    http://72.22.64.118:8000/partyvibe.m3u

                                                    These Links WILL work fine :

                                                    Shoutcast :
                                                    http://radio.level-1.org.uk:9104/listen.pls

                                                    Icecast :
                                                    http://radio.level-1.org.uk:8000/partyvibe.m3u

                                                    Please update any signature links (or any others) you have / find.

                                                    Thanks :bounce_fl

                                                    #1091877
                                                    Raj
                                                    Participant

                                                      my signature is updated – thanks for the heads up

                                                      [if anyone wants to copy it on you go :weee:]

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