TBH I don’t see any difference between someone stopping drugs because they have decided to take another spiritual path or someone stopping because they have started a new uni course or job or become a parent, its everyones personal choice..

though some aspects of religion may seem outdated there are other positive things such as the sense of committment and self discipline faith tend to instil in people.

The only thing unusual here is Lshak’s relatively young age. There are plenty of ex drug users age 50+ who have quit drugs by their own choice and turned to various forms of spirituality especially amongst those who grew up in the 1960s and 1970s. Many are now in positions of power and influence through their paid employment and faith groups and they are a great deal of the reason why attitudes have changed even if drugs aren’t legal, and that sites like this one are even allowed to exist.

Attributing meaning where there is none and believing that you have been personally shown signs from God would possibly lead certain healthcare specialists to make some diagnosis re your brain architecture/chemistry. Just saying.

Whatever your reason for giving up drugs, I believe that you have made the right choice. Try to steer clear of delusional chains of thought as much as you steer clear of the drugs though.

Good luck.

@Lshak 537167 wrote:

id rather be insane and have a strong belief

:scared:

@Lshak 537179 wrote:

I hadnt put these films on, i had just walked into a room and the person i was already watching these movies

Oh I also opened the Quran the day after, on a random page, and it was the start of a name chapter…

The chapter was – “repent”

These arent ‘signs’ though. There not even coincidences. Like someone was watching a random recent film and you walked in the room…. I watched that clip you posted and dont have a clue how you managed to turn that into a spiritual meaning and you were meant to see it?

And if you opened a random book and the word ‘repent’ was staring you in the face then maybe you could draw something from that, but you opened the Quran. I have a bad feeling that whatever page you opened it on you would have seen a certain word or phrase that you felt you were meant to see.

Believe what you want to believe, but also ask yourself, isnt it strange that you have found this revelation out but none of us are even close to your way of thinking? If what your saying is true, surely at least one of the people here (with there probably being hundreds/thousands of trips collectively) would have seen some idea of your conclusion within one of their own trips?

@barrettone 537183 wrote:

This definitely sounds like something from the psychotic spectrum I’m afraid.

This.

@Nigboat 537195 wrote:

Religion = Controlling people = Bad

But I could spit some Stephen Hawking bars and prove that there is no ALLAH

There is no proof either way, is the thing. But the more we know, the less “God” is required to ‘intervene.’

If movies have signs in and are talking to you, then this does sound like very much like a psychotic problem. I used to get this a fair bit back when I smoked weed all the time and went a bit mental, and for a while after, with music as well. What ever happens I strongly suggest you stay away from drugs as it’ll not help you one bit. Whether it be god or your own subconscious telling you to stop taking them, it was right.

@Lshak 537178 wrote:

(I wasn’t religious at this point as I had gone astray)

I’m not judging here or trying to discourage your faith, merely attempting to understand and possibly explain.

You may not have been praising God at this point but you must have believed in him/her/it, as how do you stray from what you don’t perceive? I am a none believer as you may have guessed and as I feel no connection I have never felt as if I’ve strayed from or been abandoned by a/my God. See my point?

I think whether it was an intoxicated hallucination, physical/psychological trauma or an unexpected blessing you had need for belief locked away in your psyche. It was just a matter of in what form you would find the key in my opinion.

If you want to hold these beliefs because they make you feel happier in life and provides answers where before there was only a void then good for you, don’t let me or anyone else stop you. But please don’t make illogical links between drugs and religion, the particular claim you make is indeed a farfetched one. If it were true I’m sure people worldwide would be whistling the same tune but as you can see just from the DMT users on this forum you appear to be quite alone in your perception, which goes back to my above point of I think you always had the need to believe in you. You clearly had some uncertainty regarding your purpose in life, whether you were aware of this or not, and religion has conveniently stepped in as it does for so many to answer the unanswerable.

Sorry I swayed somewhat from what I was originally going to type there and may have just come across as a passive aggressive tit trying to diminish your belief but I just let my fingers do the typing as I have no shepherd.

@General Lighting 537285 wrote:

I too am a lapsed Catholic (from my fathers side of the family. But Even Buddhism can still have those control structures. coincidentally I was reading up on the history of the chap behind the goose paradise in the Netherlands (who actually looks genuinely buzzed up in the films he has made, I reckon he was a raver and turned to first looking after nature then buddhism as he grew older), and he is heavily featured in the Dutch blog about Buddhism.

But as well as some praise for saving all those animals, others appear to be judging him as to whether he had the qualifications(?) to hold the title rinpoche, and whether his retreats were a money making exercise (even if they were, he doesn’t appear to have many worldly posessions other than his cabin (which is full of cats and dogs he also rescues) a 4×4 (complete with amber lightbars and VOGELAMBULANCE (bird ambulance) markings) and a trailer that he uses to rescue geese from muddy fields near aerodromes), and it must cost a few Euros to feed that lot.

But there was some big argument between some old chaps below one of his articles, I couldn’t follow all of it closely as I find theological discussions hard enough to folow in English let alone Dutch, but it looked more like the moaning you would find below the line on a conservative newspaper like De Telegraaf.

Anyway I think someone who can conduct a TV interview whilst holding a live goose and also rescued 10 bullmastiff pups that someone had dumped out in a box on a rubbish tip and brings them up to live in peace with cats, kittens, peacocks, ducks and chickens (and also manages to shift this entire zoo 50km West at short notice) damn well deserves the title of rinpoche…

While I realise all religion has some sort of control, some of the buddhist concepts (anatta or “non-self” basically understanding the ego) really hit home with me. Rinpoche translates to “precious one” and I certainly think that man sounds like he deserves that title too. I’m not sure I believe in reincarnation but if he has dedicated his life to saving animals (and teaching his faith) surely that makes him even more worthy of the title.