@Lshak 538820 wrote:

So i will start by saying, these are more from intellectual and factual knowledge, very interesting points here, make of it as you will. Just think how would someone 1400 years ago know all of this? And claimed author of none of it

Ok, the science behind islam:

Quran on the origin of the universe:

Science concludes that at one point in time the whole universe was nothing but a cloud of ‘smoke’, this is one of the undisputed principles of standard modern cosmology.
The Quran states (41:11): god said – “then he directed himself to the heaven while it was smoke…”

Because the earth and heavens above the sun, moon, galaxies, etc… Have been formed from this same ‘smoke’, we conclude that the earth and the heavens were one connected entity. Then out of this homogenous ‘smoke’, they formed and separated each other.
God stated: (21:30): “have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, ad we separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?”

The prophet did not claim to be the author of the Quran, and the knowledge of that time did not suffice for he assertion the universe had once been a gaseous state.
God says- (Quran 11:49): ” that is from the news of the unseen which we reveal to you, O Muhammad. You knew it not, neither you nor your people, before this. So be patient, indeed, the bet outcome is for the righteous.”

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Quran (51:47): “and the heaven we constructed with strength aNd indeed we are its expander.”
A verse on the constant expanding of the universe. This discovery is amongst one of the greatest in the history of astronomy. The stars and galaxies not only move away from us, but each ther.

Quran (21:33): “and it is he who created the night and the day and the sun and the moons; all heavenly bodies in an orbit are swimming”
Quran (36:40): “it is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit is swimming”
This concept of the movement of the sun and the moon and the other planets is in perfect harmony with recent discoveries. IT IS INCONCIEVABLE THAT AN ARAB, LIVING CENTURIES AGO IN THE MOST PRIMITAVE PART OF THE WORLD, COULD HAVE RIGHTLY USED SUCH A SPECIFIC TERM TO DESCRIBE THE MOVEMENTS OF THE PLANETS WITHOUT DEVINE GUIDANCE. The discovery of this orbital movement was due to the invention of the telescope.

Quran (36:36): “exalted is he who created all in pairs – from what the earth gross and from themselves and from which they do not know”.
The Quran outlines the fact that all creatures, living or solid materials are created in pairs.
DNA IS MADE UP OF BASE PAIRS AND THOUSANDS OF DIFFERENT GENES, THERE IS A LOT MORE ON PAIRS BUT IM NOT GOING TO WRITE IT OUT.

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Quran (21:30): “have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and we separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?”
A point to make here is animals in dry regions have been created with mechanisms to protect their metabolisms from water loss and to ensure maximum benefit from water use. If water loss takes place in the body for any reason, and if that loss is not made good, death will result in few days.

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Quran (55:19-20) : “he releasd the two seas, meeting side by side; between them is a barrier so neither of them transgress.”
It mentions a forbidden partition with a barrier between fresh and salt water in the Red Sea.

Quran (25:53): “and it is he who has released the two seas, one fresh and sweet and the other salty and bitter, and he placed between them a barrier and prohibiting partition.”
MODERN SCIENCE HAS DISCOVERED THE SITUATION IS DIFFEEENT FROM WHAT IS FOUND IN PLACES WHERE TWO SEAS MEET.

Quran (57:25): “and we sent down iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people and so that god may evident those who support him and his messengers unseen. Indeed, god is powerful ad exalted in might.”
SCIENCE SAYS – OF ALL THE METALS THERE IS NONE MORE ESSENTIAL TO LIFE THAN IRON. AND IT IS ITON THAT CAUSES A SUPERNOVA EXPLOSION IN THE CENTRE OF A STAR, MAGNETIC FIELD, AND MANY MANY MORE.

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I will leave it there with a few more topics for you to research if you choose too:
– THE QURAN ON MOUNTAINS
– THE QURAN ON HUMAN EMBYRONIC DEVELOPMENT (very very detailed and no coincidence they knew this 1400 years ago.)
– COMMUNICATION OF THE ANTS (spoken about in the Quran, and recently scientists discovered this miracle.)

What? Ptolemy said the sun and the moon orbit too, and that was well before Islam existed. Iron can cause supernova explosions if the iron core of a star exceeds the Chandrasekhar mass, but it is by no means the most common (or only way) a supernova occurs.

By all means believe what you want but there is no “conclusive evidence” other than subjective experience that Islam is true.

@Lshak 538842 wrote:

True, although I see miracles around us everyday that are too much to be coincidence, our sight and science behind it is one. Our eyes and how they work are just so magnificent, the way out bodies are made also, how every nerve, blood cell, vain, artery, etc … Is just so perfect, and how we are near enough the only living thing capable of intelligence to a certain degree, we can learn something instantly and so much

What are these miracles? Thing is that just going by probability you will probably see a lot of “miracles” over the course of your life. But you might miss all the bad things that happen too. For every “miracle” cancer cure, there’s many others who are not as fortunate.

@barrettone 538843 wrote:

What are these miracles? Thing is that just going by probability you will probably see a lot of “miracles” over the course of your life. But you might miss all the bad things that happen too. For every “miracle” cancer cure, there’s many others who are not as fortunate.

Miracles are given to people that deserve it. You rarely see bad people that do bad things and go against God undergo a miracle. That’s probably why a lot of people on this thread haven’t experienced one. Winning the lottery isn’t a miracle… you play with the intention of winning. Miracles are unexpected.

@DaftFader 538895 wrote:

What about good people that don’t undergo a miracle?

People don’t necessarily have to experience a miracle in order to be good. They will always live with their good values and they will always try to do what is right unless somebody or something inferior becomes an obstacle.

@MR207 538894 wrote:

Miracles are given to people that deserve it. You rarely see bad people that do bad things and go against God undergo a miracle. That’s probably why a lot of people on this thread haven’t experienced one. Winning the lottery isn’t a miracle… you play with the intention of winning. Miracles are unexpected.

I’ve had quite a few “miracles” happen in my lifetime…including the fact that neither me nor my dad are dead…so no.

@MR207 538905 wrote:

That’s predictable and not a sudden thing, a lot of people are alive… so yes

You don’t know what happened to them!

@DaftFader 538903 wrote:

So how does the justification of who gets a miracle and who doesn’t happen (assuming they are of equal goodness)? Is it random?

With regards to “They will always live with their good values and they will always try to do what is right unless somebody or something inferior becomes an obstacle.” I don’t agree. In my opinion, anyone who is of good morals, is better then that. If something, as you say, “Inferior” comes along, they will accept it with all their grace and try and improve it, thus making them improved “good people” rather then having any negative effect on their goodness as a person and generally helping out in the cosmic flow of things, as opposed to looking down on stuff!

Social influence has such a big impact on a person’s life. Everyone is capable of evil under certain circumstances, even good people. People aren’t born to be bad, a lot are born good, it’s just the situation that turns them bad.

If a fathers child is murdered and he has to bury them, he is going to feel resentment, hate, and resort to some sort of evil to compensate for what has happened. That’s uncontrollable to a certain point. That’s a natural emotion and state of shock that everybody goes through in life, and sometimes it works against you.

@MR207 538905 wrote:

That’s predictable and not a sudden thing, a lot of people are alive… so yes

Well the incidents are:
When I was a baby I nearly died because the canal connecting my stomach to my intestines wouldn’t open so I couldn’t digest food. My parents took me to several doctors who didn’t know what was wrong until one of them found out what the problem was and I had an operation in time to keep me from dying.

My dad and I were in a car when a group of police and bank robbers started shooting at each other. A bullet hit the car and entered the dash right in front of my dad.

My dad had pretty bad cancer that got taken care of and he’s now healthier than he’s ever been.

But really, for each of those situations I’m 100% certain there are a lot more who weren’t so lucky. It’s a probabilities game.

I’m pretty sure no one’s had cancer and then the next day they’ve not had it. People have, however, against the odds overcome cancer. It’s actually quite common for people to come back after being dead. It happened to my friend after he drank way too much spirit alcohol when we were younger and totally flat lined! The wonders of modern medical technology.

“In the mean time lay of the drugs, eat healthy and avoid stress.”
The only good advice I’ve seen thus far. I work in Mental Health and the labels are just labels to an extent. Psychedelic drugs show pretty much the same symptoms as a variety of mental illnesses. It’s mostly brain chemistry with a bit of loopy cognition/behavioural interaction. Then you get a bunch of folk yelling you’re mad….no you’re not you’re spot on. etc. The more you try to get a grip the faster the sand falls out of your hand. Relax. Lay of the Drugs. Eat Healthy. And Avoid Stress. You won’t find anything wiser in a religious text.

Is nobody else getting bored of this debate? Seems we’re just going in circles. Bottom line is religious people seem to be the most rigid thinkers but accuse the none believers of being narrow minded. We ain’t going to convince them and they’re not going to convince us so let’s just move on.

@MR207 538894 wrote:

Miracles are given to people that deserve it. You rarely see bad people that do bad things and go against God undergo a miracle. That’s probably why a lot of people on this thread haven’t experienced one. Winning the lottery isn’t a miracle… you play with the intention of winning. Miracles are unexpected.

I’m sure if you were to speak to some bad people, gang members for example that have been in drive-by shootings or whatever you would find that they have survived situations that you would consider to be miraculous (under your definition). These people may have committed murder, theft and all sorts of other crimes. The things that you consider to be miraculous are in no way confined only to “good” people.