@photographthesun 538309 wrote:

ah I see your point *hides Quran and gets out pure white facepaint*. I dont know whats in them but I guess its in such a small quantity that a firework would be a more viable target. Still…

*shaves beard*

I call it a beard 🙁 more like small collection of hair.

To be fair the active ingredient in those things is actually way too unstable to be used in an IED and is bulked out with grit to stabilise it. though I’ve not seen those snappers on sale in the UK for some years though, particularly since 2005, they do appear to have made a comeback. Though TBH the most disruptive thing you could do with them is carefully attach them to loo seats or put them in positions where they will be triggered on opening or closing doors etc to give folk a bit of a shock. I wouldn’t do that at a urban music event or some rudeboy might decide to start shooting for real…

Im going to sound an arse, but I really dont think its a coincidence that predominantly atheist countries are more peaceful.

@Lshak 538311 wrote:

No you misunderstood me, A real new is someone who has read the Torah for themselves, just like islam and Christianity otherwise they are following religion blindly, at least they have god in their hearts though.

And quote me that in the old testimony please, and it doesn’t say anywhere in the bible that Jesus says he is god, where does it say “I am god” Jesus isn’t The Lord, that’s your misinterpretation.

And many real Jews didnt follow into Christianity and then islam, but more than many did.

The Torah does say in Devarim that God is one.

Mark 14:60-62
“And the high priest stood up in the midst, and asked Jesus, saying, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?
But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”

Even if you interpret that as him not saying he was God, a lot of the powers he claimed to have (such as being able to forgive sin) are powers that only God is able to do. Additionally, in the Torah, when Moses speaks to God in the burning bush, Moses asks him what he should tell the Israelites what God’s name is, and he replies “ehyeh asher ehyeh” or “I am that I am.” He instructs Moses to tell the Israelites that “I AM” has sent him to them. Then in John 8:56-58 Jesus says “before Abraham was, I AM.”

@Lshak 538314 wrote:

If your speaking of terrorism, I wouldn’t believe everything I hear in the news if I was you as it is controlled by the most powerful people (in America, misguiding you) and also when it does happen, unfortunately these people are very easily influenced and are probably born into this being fed information that if you kill yourself for the sake of god then you will go to heaven.

in the UK it has only been very recently that Islamic extremists have turned to the use of IEDs, and there has only been one successful attack on the UK in London. Most others (even if there have been explosions) have turned out to be a “flash in the pan” in more ways than one, a combination of old fashioned detective work matched up with condemnation of these attacks by moderate Muslims has vastly reduced this threat.

However throughout my lifetime warring Christian sects have successfully detonated devices in both the UK mainland and still do so today in Northern Ireland.

Northern Europeans, particularly the Dutch, taught the world the military tactice of suicide bombing and of destroying by explosives territory and property that had been gained by the enemy even when outgunned and outnumbered and in retreat.

@barrettone 538324 wrote:

Then why are women and men not treated equally in countries where Islam is the dominant religion? Women in countries like Saudi Arabia have much fewer rights than men do. It is disingenuous to claim that women are treated equally in Islamic nations. Mind you they aren’t treated equally in the west either, but relatively speaking they have way more freedoms here.

Thankfully Saudi Arabia is not the sum total of Islamic countries, and even there, women are taking their freedoms by the same methods as won female freedom in non-Islamic countries. Emancipation of women is extremely new even in Western countries (first country that gave women the vote? New Zealand). And of course change happens slower in tyrannical dictatorships like Saudi and North Korea. It doesn’t happen particularly quickly anywhere outside of a revolution.

@Lshak 538333 wrote:

Remember brother, people will use religion as a means of power, in islam this is haram/forbidden, but they use it for personal gains anyways. This will catch up to them, either this life or the after-life.

The main meaning behind islam and majority of religions:

Believe in one god, believe in the prophets and messengers, believe Mohammed was his final messenger, the day of judgement and submit yourself to god.
Do good in the world, be peaceful, and forgiving, Allah is as forgiving as you are times by 100, be the change you wish to see in the world.

These are the main principals, now tell me, if everyone was a true religious person and believed in these commandments wouldn’t the world be a better place, peace and love for everyone and the deceased.

Of course. Pretty much all religions have good principles. But much like Communism, more often than not religion has been used as a tool to control and exploit, to justify treating others as inferior, to enslave, to censor, to impede progress. Mind you before the Crusades the Islamic world had a huge leg up on the west in terms of the sciences and mathematics (such as algebra, which was formalised from the ancient Babylonian methods by muslim mathematicians). However I see pretty much every religion as having expired. That is not to say you cannot take useful tenets from different religions and use them as guidance, but many of the notions imposed by different religions’ sacred texts are unnecessary and an undue intellectual burden. But for you to say that “Christianity and Judaism have expired” is merely based on your own holy book.

@Lshak 538333 wrote:

Remember brother, people will use religion as a means of power, in islam this is haram/forbidden, but they use it for personal gains anyways. This will catch up to them, either this life or the after-life.

The main meaning behind islam and majority of religions:

Believe in one god, believe in the prophets and messengers, believe Mohammed was his final messenger, the day of judgement and submit yourself to god.
Do good in the world, be peaceful, and forgiving, Allah is as forgiving as you are times by 100, be the change you wish to see in the world.

These are the main principals, now tell me, if everyone was a true religious person and believed in these commandments wouldn’t the world be a better place, peace and love for everyone and the deceased.

I believe in living my life by these principals (most of them anyway) without devoting my life to a fictitious figure and condeming those that don’t follow my beliefs to an eternity of pain and torture.

You believe that because i’m not a Muslim, I deserve an eternity in Hell. I don’t believe that about you for not being an Atheist. Think about it, who is more evil?

@Lshak 538344 wrote:

That’s good man.

I think you have misunderstood me also, I have never said “you all deserve to go to hell” I have said multiple times “inshallah god guides you all to the right path for your sakes” if you believe this is evil after all the evil talk you have done about islam and religion then sorry but it is you who is delusional man.

In god we trust, trust him, have faith and you will find your reward, I wish I could explain things better, maybe one day when my knowledge is better, my guidance is stronger, and I have a laptop to use, unfortunately using my iphone is very annoying

But, as far as I understand, the implicit view there is that if we do not submit ourselves to god, then we will go to hell. Why does an omnipotent, all loving being care so much what I think of him/her/it? Why can’t I just lead a righteous life, and do my best to lessen the suffering of others. Why must I follow arbitrary and dogmatic rules on how to live in order to satisfy him? That doesn’t make any sense. If God exists, I will assume he judges me by my actions, not my belief in him.

@Chrispydelic 538352 wrote:

Exactly. Any deity who demands worship seems to me to be petty and egocentric and almost child-like in his arrogance. Why would a benign deity demand that you worship him and praise his name? Surely only following his implied principles would suffice?

Definitely mate. Try and be a decent person for the sake of it, not because of the potential reward/punishment after you’re dead – that’s just ludicrous and borders on blackmail!