Not to be taken for an idiot (forgive me, I’m American and therefore thick as shit most days) but what is this “SWIM” everyone keeps referring to?

@DaftFader 357354 wrote:

it’s what you do in water so as not to drown 😉

Ha Ha… very funny :mkay:

I’m in the same boat as buddmeister and could really do with a legit supplier to get me through the dry spell. Anyone heard anything good about some guys called Mr & Meph? I think were active on this forum a while back trying to undercut our good friend.

@shamtul 357418 wrote:

Hey guys, found out the otherday, some one I knows lung collapsed the other day so iv heard it was because of methadrone, I presume he much have been snorting it but have no idea how much he had or if/what it was cut with. Seems really bizzar that that could happen.

shit, hope your friend is ok and able to fully recover their lung capasity :group_hug

am hearing more bad stuff – maybe coz people dont know too much about this shit and are re-dosing etc too much – but its certainly put me off –

limbs going tingly and blue? well for a start after 4 ops on my hands and elbows – i dont need that shit TBH

its too early for peeps to know the potential side effects of these RC’s – like it was in the 70’s with the psychoannalysts experenenting with ’empathy’….
seems safer to me though ….

@shamtul 357422 wrote:

Thank you tankgirl (huggs) Apparently his lung is starting to reinflate, will post more info bout it as soon as I get a chance to speak to him. Yeah it really is unknown wot the lastin effects of this stuff is, enen tho its only chemical difference from mdma is just 1 oxygen molecule that small change cud make a big difference to the chemical compound. I must admit I am a big fan of 4-mmc as iv had not problems from taking it, appart from blocked sinuses lol. Oh and apparently when the drug gets listed it is only 4-mmc that will be listed, therefor methalone will still be legal.

good to hear, :love:

I do think that everyone is an individual and even with legal chemicals – everyone can have different side effects that not nesecarily others will have – i.e asprin, anti-biotics, ibrupfofen
and after all my shit with my hands etc I personally dont want to mess around with any potential complications

this doesnt mean others wont be ok taking it – but the re-dosing I have heard is a problem what with us knowing other rugs with different half lives etc

and the thing is even a small change in the molecular / chemical make up can alter considerably the out come…

just want people to be safe and aware jus coz its legal doesnt mean its got no potenital S/E

@Luisgarciaisgod 357424 wrote:

Blooming love the stuff, had about 6gs over the last 3 weekends… Keep giving it away though,cos im so loved up..grrr

you should’ve seen me the other week, did so much and gave so much out. followed a big big depression

hmm – all these side effects sound almost exactly like what I remember in 1991/1992 when proper pills and amfetamine first started becoming available and affordable to normal suburban youngsters in their mid-late teens.

There wasn’t easy access to the internet, NHS were still doing all their records on paper so other than fatal OD’s where cops and grieving families would talk to the Press a lot of bad news got buried, especially as there was still “yoof TV” and the young media workers were in their honeymoon period with these drugs (if you look back upon many 1990s TV series the influence of rave culture on them is obvious).

However I remember about a third of my raver mates from “back in the day” suffered physical or mental health problems, some of these quite serious. on top of that they were becoming involved in criminality and anti-social behaviour, hence coming to notice of the Police. Many are still institutionalised today, others are in dead end jobs/lifestyles and with kids in broken familes.

Ironicallly its because of this that such a backlash has occured against raves and other “drug-friendly” youth subcultures and why MDMA and other drugs are hard to get now because of enforcement and why we are now getting problems with these so-called “legal highs”.

I’m not sure what the Govt will do but fear that action will only be taken towards the election with both ruling parties fighting hard to show “who can be toughest”.

In Sweden where mephedrone is now illegal, its been substituted with an even more toxic (but still legal) chemical so more people are dying!

@General Lighting 357453 wrote:

In Sweden where mephedrone is now illegal, its been substituted with an even more toxic (but still legal) chemical so more people are dying!

what’s that GL?

we’re gonna end up with some really nasty RC’s now if all their gonna do is ban them.

Yeah we tried a fair few suppliers and it’s been okay but this latest one is direct from China and is the best ever – cheapest too – he does buy more than I could afford in a year in one week which keeps it low

na backs normaly fine .. just my nose that cains :laugh_at:

@DJCliffy 357493 wrote:

My everything cains!! I tell ya man it takes me ages to get over a mashup these days.

Perhaps I’m losing my touch??? :yakk:

I take it you drink loads of water, while on your binge? If you are losing your touch fella, you’re gonna have to start giving your kidneys some TLC. I used to really suffer when I was snorting speed… worst pain EVER
Flush out your kidneys, imo

and get well soon : )

@DJCliffy 357458 wrote:

I’ve felt dodgy ever since Saturday. feeling proper down, much worse than the after-effects of mandy imo.

hope you’re better now but 1g of mephedrone + alcohol is IMO equivalent to 5 or 6 of recent pills plus base amfetamine on top of that, maybe a small line or 2 or K as well as the booze, and I know if I did all that I would certainly feel rough during the week (one of the reasons I don’t party much any more!)