@General Lighting 343734 wrote:

TBH as someone what used pills from 1991 onwards when good ones were near 100% MDMA I don’t think “serotonin depletion” is as much of a risk as people fear provided people have sensible usage patterns and aren’t mentally ill to the point they may harm themselves or others (in which case they must seek NHS help as soon as they are aware of the problems!)

The reason many people can never get to the original MDMA buzz IMO is not because they’ve seriously damaged serotonin levels but because your inibitions can be so reduced that your brain readjusts to what is a “unnatural level of happiness!” Certain “negative emotions” like “paranoia” or “depression”, when kept under control are a good survival mechanism. Other humans or groups of them can be hostile and being a bit wary of new people is a sensible thing…

I remember from the early 1990s raves there were a lot of scum what would prey on the more loved up blissed out ravers, trying to rob them or worse (particularly in the case of girls). Those what survived this side of the 1990s rave scene obviously had to put their guard up a bit more.

Set and setting has a lot to do with it.

Todays social environments are definitely not as friendly as those of the late 1980s or 1990s, due to people being more insecure and angry – the days of people bumbling around parties chatting to total strangers are less prevalent and people tend to stick within their social groups (something I feel is a big shame)

so if you take “party drugs” sometimes your brain adjusts and holds back some of the “loved up” feeling to keep you safe, although the sensation is often still enjoyable. This is what I have found anyway and I don’t see it as too much of a problem in wider life..

also its not clear whether mephedrone acts as much on serotonin as other receptors in the brain. What I have found to be true is there is virtually zero comedown on it compared to amfet/MDMA or other similar substances.

i am definatly alot more depressed now days then i was back then .. alltho alot of things have happened i can pin it down to way way overdoing it back then as my best mate who did about the same as me suffers the same problems … there are many factors to it tbf .. but i am sure that for me .. i did too many pills (some where very very strong others were not .. but i did loads either way) and even tho if i leave it for ages not taking them .. i’ll start to feel a bit better … it goes back to depression when i cain mdma again

@DJCliffy 343761 wrote:

Sorry to hear that mate. :group_hug

So if someone has a ‘racing heart’ after doing Mephedrone, do you think it wise for them to be checked out?

if its genuinely making them uncomfortable and feeling ill and persists for some time after taking it then yes.

if people have a racing heart and serious chest pains after doing anything even when stone cold sober they should call NHS Direct and/or if necessary attend hospital by Emergency Ambulance – even fit young people can suffer sudden heart problems.

I do see the dilemma here – doctors aren’t stupid and many will suspect substance abuse in a young person who presents to a GP with these problems on Monday after an obvious “heavy weekend”. Doctors are not cops and mephedrone is not illegal so its best to be honest – but many may well notify NTA (National Treatment Agency) of the use of the substance.

Each notification will slowly filter upwards through the NHS and even the EU and bring mephedrone closer to being classified as a dangerous substance, if only because it is costing the NHS money to treat people/give them advice. This is what has already happened in the Scandinavian countries which have very good public health care systems just like ours.

OTOH I don’t want anyone to suffer serious health problems from their drugs – we need to learn lessons from the 1990s..

@General Lighting 343766 wrote:

although I wouldn’t class it as depression, 1990s strength pills gave me such mood/emotional swings I would not take them again (certainly not in any quantity) if they were still available and even legal. the same with dexamfetamine, which I used a lot in the early 2000s. I now find that the negative effects the mood swings have on my work and interaction with people are unacceptable for someone of my age (compared to a teenager or youth still going through emotional development).

This might be more to do with the fact I am older and have finally sorted out a lot of my life.

I have however knocked on the head a lot of hopes/dreams/aspirations/ambitions I had in my youth (such as working in the creative industries/media etc) – and accepted the fact that I am probably going to end up as in a IT management position in an office and stay in East Anglia until my middle years or even old age – some people may understandably class this as a defeatist/depressed attitude as I’m no longer “chasing my dreams” but I’ve found that facing up to these facts has made me a far happier man than even my heaviest drug using days!

Curiously, crystal MDMA did not have such a bad effect on me as pills but there was still a noticeable comedown/tiredness and the most recent stuff was just filthy. With mephedrone, other than more elevated body temperature (although no worse than ketamine?) I have not had any negative emotional effects, other than those which tiredness may cause on occasion.

where i drink alot it’s allways hard to tell where the depression comes from but where my mate doesn’t drink and has had some of the same problems .. we could definatly put it down to the pills we used to do (from 1999 till now i have been doing pills/mdma) i know what your saing with the mdma tho .. i remeber pills used to really give bad comedowns when i first started doing them .. i put that down to them being mdma/speed mixed tho …

meph does seem to have less of a comedown as i did a few g over the weekend and felt no worce than after a g of mdma and i didn’t sleep for 3 days and drank quite a bit … but tbf it’s hadr to tell after that much abuse … when i tryed it for the first time on the thursday last week i did .75 of a g and woke up the next day feeling nothing more than a bit tired and hung over where i had not much sleep and a few beers with the meow .. if your sensible with this stuff i can’t see it making you fell as shitty as mdma can do

glad im not a pill muncher anymore. the comedowns just aint worth it..

the honeymoon period was a blast dont get me wrong, but after a few months of weekend use me and mandy just didnt have the same connection anymore..

haha yeah man. psychedelics ftw!

Tried it recently.

Very impressed!

Oops, sorry.

^ Fuck all that mate. You want the OB to come a’knocking???

Probably a rip-off merchant.

@DJCliffy 343996 wrote:

Probably a rip-off merchant.

yeah mate more than likely
the block capitals gives off the impression hes after our attention/money

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