This drug is just like any other drug illegal or legal….. i’m sure i’ve said this earlier….. but the more you do the worse the side affects are going to be, the bigger the high the bigger the drop! I’ve been doing it in moderation 0.10g (prob not even that) and i can have a good night out on it with a few drinks aswell without too many issues the next day. I kinda learnt not to overdo anything because of my experiences from when i was younger. I remeber sitting in a rave staring at the floor all night and not moving coz i did too much speed ( and not just with speed) and para’d out and just ruined what could have potentialy been good nights out!

Anyway i’m hearing a lot about anxiety/depression being a major side affect of this stuff and from someone who already has and has had these things and yet not suffer these as much as other people as a result of taking it, well did any of you guys already have these symtoms before and the large quantites (in my opinion) of meph just bring them to the surface?

@drug-taker 377014 wrote:

listen you could listen 2 me i have taken the drug many times and have experianced its many different stages and buzzes this is a simple drug but still people underestamate its power i have many freinds who have surcome to its euphoric lure and i wouldnt say that that they are unexperianced drug takers either.we need to learn more about this drug its just not safe to take it with out knoing long term affects and people will still continue takin it even if it is life thretning becouse we dont know the risks. you cant just egnore this drug its here to stay and the people have a wright to know about its wrisks.if you wish to speak with me futher just ask away.

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. My partner and I have been using meph for about a year now. …. Last weekend we polished off 12g between us over the weekend…we have never experienced any anxiety or negative effects as a result of using meph. However last weekend we did end up in casualty dept when i dislocated my jaw from all the clenching etc that i tend to do….the up shot was getting a shot of pethedine when doc realigned by jaw !

@p0ly 377177 wrote:

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1 can try lol!

I wouldn’t say im a frequent user of drugs but I do enjoy them when I can. I thought I would give meow a go because it was reported to have similar effects to other substances that I have enjoy using. Also for the fact that it is so cheap and I can get it delivered straight to my door!

I have only ever gotten 2 grams of the stuff, and i probably only consumed 1 gram after sharing it around with friends… this would also have been spread over 4 sessions!

Now, since then, I have been suffering from bad episodes of anxiety for a week now and its bloody horrible!! Even after using so little of the stuff I feel like it has really messed with me and it’s affecting my everyday normal activity. I’m sure this will pass soon enough but I sure as hell don’t want to put anymore of this shit into me!

I’m not sure if my reaction to it has anything to do with the fact that I am going through an extremely stressful time in my life right now but i would urge people to stay away from it, i now know it’s worth spending more money on something ‘safer’ for your health!!

@General Lighting 376900 wrote:

I was involved in activism in the 80s and early 90s. Raves and drugs were and are in fact a complete distraction from this, I’m not a big conspiracy theorist but in hindsight I do sometimes wonder if that was why Thatcho, Major didn’t crush them totally when they in fact had the resources to do so in the 1990s, and Blair initially tolerated the music/drugs culture!

I think things are getting better though, I don’t know if this is because I’m in a different area to you, but most of my friends do both activism and partying. Many don’t do any activism but still hold the opinions and support the activists on major things.

I think progression always does this a bit though. Thatcher was a regression socially, but even when it regresses, it’s always progressing overall. And it’s not linear either, some things improve whilst others regress, I’d still say on balance it always works out that it’s pushing for the better overall.

I agree that people don’t want to change their lifestyle. I drive, admittedly I drive for work purposes at the moment and don’t own my own car, but I can’t pretend there haven’t been journeys where I could have used public transport. I think train prices need to be reduced massively though. It costs me £8 to go from York to Leeds. That’s a 24 minute train journey. And as they don’t do return fares (too short a distance apparently!) to go to see my parents or mates in York for one night, it costs me £16 with a railcard. Petrol it’s about a fiver there and back. Now I use the train or bus when I go home, I don’t have my own car, but I can see why people do use the car between those cities. That’s maybe people being a little bit selfish, I would be less judgmental on them tbh, I believe incentives need to be given to expect people to use public transport, more money pumped into the transport system, make the rail network an efficient, cheaper alternative and people will switch. If it means people are taxed more then so be it.

But the two things aren’t mutually exclusive. So OK, they have a second car, but that doesn’t mean it invalidates the fact they make an effort to buy fair trade, isn’t that one aspect of progress at least? You have recognised there is a change in mentality here, and it’s a good example – supermarkets stock more fair trade, most major coffee shops now only stock fair trade, it’s a positive change. You can’t disregard that because an entirely different (for the purposes of this argument, I am aware of the correlation between the issues of environmentalism and global inequality) reason still needs progress itself.

@MisterDuck 377405 wrote:

I think things are getting better though, I don’t know if this is because I’m in a different area to you, but most of my friends do both activism and partying. Many don’t do any activism but still hold the opinions and support the activists on major things.

region is a big difference. East Anglia’s party scene started off being a lot more “right on” but was influenced negatively by London and SE England as well as rising affluence making people more selfish and the ravers feeling they were “untouchable” due to a lack of enforcement against parties.

Today out of perhaps 10-20 ravers I know fairly well as little as 5 are genuinely into more progressive lifestyles. The rest only care about where their drugs are coming from. The “community” stuff that crews like Realeyes and Brains Kan tried to teach them has been ignored or forgotten, and some of them old heads from the original crews are in very dark places indeed. I don’t participate in gossip or passing on confidential info about individuals so won’t elaborate further in a public forum, but what I heard shocked me and I am not easily shocked or fazed after two decades playing this game.

Thankfully its not all bleak as most do grow actually out of problematic or even dangerous patterns of drugs usage and settle down with families etc but once they’ve walked out of the scene it seems to be permanent these days and they are reluctant to support what they consider to be “youthful overexuberance”

I’ve lost half my friends from as recently as 2006 because of people settling down and many are only in their 20s.

Maybe Northerners genuinely do look after party areas better, otherwise your cops (who have proven themselves to be no pushovers during the days of the miners’ strike) would have clamped down by now but at all these events in recent times I have attended there has been property damage to the property of innocent people rather than using genuinely abandoned or public land.

The ones who stay on with progressive lifestyles have mostly given up raves and they are genuinely concerned over the impact these things have on the farmers and local businesses of East Anglia. Round here being a raver is seen as being a chav junkie, even by the bulk of the environmentalists, and its not because the eco-warriors haven’t cut people any slack either..

@indigorainbox 377703 wrote:

i’ve been having problems with balance..like i’m just stood still then suddenly i’ll nearly topple over. anyone else had this?

were you drinking and/or doing k with the methe? :crazy_dru

nope :/

ahh that’s good 🙂 I’m fine now it was just the following day i was having problems

“GL and I may seem cynical but, to get it in context, we are still here trying to help you guys because we believe it can be better than it is and that access to our experience may be crucial to you doing better than our peers did. “

Just to clear up – my opinions on GL’s views and the pessimism/negative/cynical accusations were based not on drugs or parties, but wider social issues as a whole. For me parties are pretty irrelevant now, and drugs certainly are. I go to parties and take drugs cos I enjoy it and it’s hedonism, not wreckless hedonism these days but it’s aim is certainly solely pleasure. My opinions on social change are nothing to do with this, or the work I do to reflect these opinions.

Anyway, I’m in Bangkok at the moment. It’s not my thing at all, but my guesthouse was nice and I’m getting a bus and boat to Siem Reap tomorrow, when I get out of Bangkok I’d like to think the travelling begins. 🙂

@General Lighting 377813 wrote:

they are all interlinked though. One part of social change is that others tolerate free expression and hedonism – for instance in my own lifetime it was once unacceptable for people to talk openly and freely about sex and sexuality, and in the 1980s mention of drug culture was swept under the carpet. if by some miracle we’d had the tech to run a forum like this two decades ago or at the start of the party sceneit would have been closed down.

the very first place I got true and accurate info about drugs was an anarchist bookshop in Reading in about 1988 which was of course where all the “right-on” social activists hung out, as well as people from the local bands. out of this lot, about 33% of them did carry on doing good stuff – but another 33% gave up, and worse the remainder got into heroin and crime and made youths think this was “part of being alternative”.

Basic arithmetic shows there is room for improvement, but my annoyance is two decades later and 200 miles East, things seem to have got no better.

For four whole decades, seemingly progressive people have been distracted to an extent by hedonism – and it seems like only a small proportion return to doing good for society. As many if not more drug users become selfish libertarians. A lot of social problems today are caused by people of all ages, including my age group and even into my parents age group not being able to self-regulate their use of drugs. If I were a conspiracy theorist I’d say it was deliberate but I don’t believe this, its a fundamental failure of human nature.

However this current generation is probably the last one what will “get away” with this, and have privilegies such as being able to fly to Thailand or travel on a whim. There is stuff like peak oil and further economic decline coming up which is eventually going to knock the West back to the 1950s or 1940s, perhaps including yet more warfare – not the nuclear war I feared in my youth, a long and drawn out one. It won’t happen tomorrow like some movie, but slowly and surely and people need to be prepared – and some “nice” things taken for granted will eventually disappear.

Even if things do get better eventually, the next few decades, i.e the remainder of everyones lifetime on here although not intolerable, will be “interesting”. (most of us are destined to live to 80-100 despite our lifestyles)

And if people can’t handle self-regulating on a drug what was legal for years, how will they deal with such things as forming self-sufficient communities?

“For four whole decades, seemingly progressive people have been distracted to an extent by hedonism”

well put

mmmmm hedonism