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    Anonymous

      Hi, l thought about putting this in the Sound Systems are but l think that area’s more to do with serious crews.

      I wanted to know:

      Could you DJ in a club/outdoor event using a 1.4Ghz laptop?

      What sort of speakers do you need? Powered ones? What about the power source?

      And what about visuals, can’t you just use G-Force and Whitecap and Win Amp visuals, say on 2 different monitors, and a camera views and projects them onto a massive screen?

      Are there any better programs than G-Force, as they seem to be overchraging horrendously?

      Are there any strobes that pulsate to the music, for under £50?

      How many and what kind of speakers would you need for a 300-person event?

      Is it easy to make your own amps?

      How many strobes will you need for a 300-person event?

      How much CO2 gas would you need for a 300-person event?

      I don’t suppose you would need CO2 for an outdoor event?

      How much would the electricity cost for a 300-person indoor and outdoor event?

      How would you get a generator?

      What’s a good price for [hire of] a generator?

      What’s a good price for the hire of a field?

      What’s a good price for the hire of a hall with facilities?

      What’s a good wage for bouncers per night?

      How do you promote yourself, apart from on here, what other ways are there and what costs are involved? I read something on the BBC website about using street crews to put promotional material out for free – l would never want to make ppl work for free out of desperation, although l wouldn’t mind if they just wanted to do voluntarily.

      If you’ve never done any raves before, could it be that nobody will turn up? Has that ever happened?

      In other words: :weee: HOW DO I MAKE A RAVE?! :weee: :weee:

      #1103488
      Anonymous

        And how much will it cost to hire S-Club 7 for the event lolol :weee:

        #1103498
        Anonymous

          dude do you seriously expect someone to give you all that info, when you have so clearly not tried to find any info yourself? i could answer all that, but it would take me an hour of typing. go to google, and type in some searches.

          seriously if this was an architecture website, would you come on and ask how to build a house?

          #1103489
          Anonymous

            Leave it out man.

            I have actually researched it. I’ve worded my questions specifically ya know, l know how much speakers and strobes cost. I was after finding out how much they would cost for 300-ppl and if anyone knows of any good brands of music-driven strobes for £50 etc.

            To get a good knowledge of prices you need to be researching it for a good few months, regardless of the subject. And l was after the average prices to avoid getting ripped off not just any price etc etc.

            And half the stuff doesn’t even seem to be on Google.

            I was hoping for the voice of experience, thanks for your input.

            #1103490
            Anonymous

              Ppl please pardon the interruption there. :you_crazy

              You can volunteer your estimates for any part of the original post or even the whole thing! :weee:

              #1103501
              Raj
              Participant

                Are you looking to hire or buy equipment? [buying will have knock on storage implications just for starters….]

                To get meaningful answers to any of this you will need to get more specific about what you are planning to put on and for how many people….a lot of the other decisions will naturally flow from those.

                Also location [club, farm, student union] will have a big effect on what and how you need to source equipment….

                #1103491
                Anonymous

                  Any input will do, for example, it had never crossed my mind to use a Student Union, l’m sure they will give good rates, and l’ve just recalled that there was a local soundsystem using my old Uni’s S. U. thank you. I have approached student unions before (about other things) but they are useless at getting back.

                  I was really just after answers the questions l raised, l mean, how much would a farmer charge for hiring a 2 acre piece of arable land for a weekend / one night?

                  etc.

                  #1103499
                  darkstar
                  Participant
                    USE wrote:
                    dude do you seriously expect someone to give you all that info, when you have so clearly not tried to find any info yourself? i could answer all that, but it would take me an hour of typing. go to google, and type in some searches.

                    seriously if this was an architecture website, would you come on and ask how to build a house?

                    Is there any need for such a negative post ?

                    DDP is just asking for help and advice.

                    If you don’t have anything positive or helpful to say – why bother posting at all ?

                    #1103500
                    darkstar
                    Participant
                      DynamicDon’tPanic wrote:
                      Hi, l thought about putting this in the Sound Systems are but l think that area’s more to do with serious crews.

                      I wanted to know:

                      Could you DJ in a club/outdoor event using a 1.4Ghz laptop?

                      What sort of speakers do you need? Powered ones? What about the power source?

                      And what about visuals, can’t you just use G-Force and Whitecap and Win Amp visuals, say on 2 different monitors, and a camera views and projects them onto a massive screen?

                      Are there any better programs than G-Force, as they seem to be overchraging horrendously?

                      Are there any strobes that pulsate to the music, for under £50?

                      How many and what kind of speakers would you need for a 300-person event?

                      Is it easy to make your own amps?

                      How many strobes will you need for a 300-person event?

                      How much CO2 gas would you need for a 300-person event?

                      I don’t suppose you would need CO2 for an outdoor event?

                      How much would the electricity cost for a 300-person indoor and outdoor event?

                      How would you get a generator?

                      What’s a good price for [hire of] a generator?

                      What’s a good price for the hire of a field?

                      What’s a good price for the hire of a hall with facilities?

                      What’s a good wage for bouncers per night?

                      How do you promote yourself, apart from on here, what other ways are there and what costs are involved? I read something on the BBC website about using street crews to put promotional material out for free – l would never want to make ppl work for free out of desperation, although l wouldn’t mind if they just wanted to do voluntarily.

                      If you’ve never done any raves before, could it be that nobody will turn up? Has that ever happened?

                      In other words: :weee: HOW DO I MAKE A RAVE?! :weee: :weee:

                      Re – laptop – depends what programs you’re wanting to run – but basically I’d have thought it would be OK.

                      Re – speakers – personally I’d use unpowered speakers and amps. That way you can upgrade / increase the size & power of your rig easily.

                      Re – how many and what size – that really depends on the size of the venue not how many people are there. Indoors would require less wattage than outdoors. You could easily get away with maybe a 2/3 k rig.

                      Re – generator – google or yellow pages – look under generator or plant hire. You also need a bit of excess in the genny – so a good rule of thumb is the genny should have twice the output of the total wattage of all your equipment. Also lights often draw more power than a rig – so their keep them to a minimum ( they can cause spiking of the genny which can damage your rig / equipment fatally ) or if you’re going to use a lot of lights – use a separate genny for them.

                      Re prices for all the above – you just have to shop around.

                      #1103507
                      RASTA
                      Participant

                        JUST HAVE A GET TOGETHER OF ALL THE TRANCE FREAKS U KNOW ARRANGE 4 A PROPER MUSIC AND LOCATION WEREIN U AND UR MATES CAN CHILLOUT AND THEN JUST…………….:bounce_fl :bounce_fl ……………ON THE MUSIC……!

                        #1103502
                        Raj
                        Participant

                          Hey DDP

                          Prices for venues vary wildly form place to place…this thread is currently in the free party section. Does that mean you are planning to foot all the costs yourself?

                          #1103492
                          Anonymous

                            Yeah m8, l would have to foot the bill myself as l don’t even know if anyone will turn up. I was hoping to do it on a £350 budget.

                            #1103493
                            Anonymous

                              I suppose this could go in the soundsystems part, but it seemed a big hi-tec there, compared to what l want to do.

                              #1103503
                              Raj
                              Participant

                                Think I will move it into community as you are looking for help and advice 😉

                                #1103504
                                Raj
                                Participant

                                  What follows below is a [very] rough guide to how to organise an event

                                  Decide what you want to do [size, style, duration, target audience] – this enables you to choose a venue.

                                  Venue chosen you then can work out what else you will need to arrange. Clubs and other indoor venues [licensed ones] usually have soundsystem, toilets, bar, basic lights, etc.
                                  Fields will require all of these to be arranged [with the exception of the bar unless you want to get an alcohol license] plus generators and transport for the equipment and tents etc.
                                  All other venues are likely to be between the 2 extremes.

                                  Once you know what you are putting on and where it becomes a matter of sourcing and haggling for good prices on what you need, arranging to hire what you dont have and advertising the event as appropiate

                                  Its hard to give you ballpark figures for these costs as location will play such a large part in them [the bigger the town for example, the more likely you will even find what you want to hire]

                                  A network of contacts is really useful for these things and you should make every effort to develp one and then curry favour [by being a good customer and recommending the place to others and telling them you have done this] as good customers are always a valuable commodity. Also remember to ask for their advice if you get stuck as they too have contacts network and they will be people they like doing business with and likely worth knowing about:groucho:

                                  #1103496
                                  General Lighting
                                  Moderator

                                    another thing worth being aware of is that the tolerance of any kind of electronic dance music event varies wildly from region to region, there is often is an automatic presumption on the part of the Police that there will be widespread drug use and other potential problems.

                                    You, and your venue managers/sound crew may well be subject to various amounts of Police scrutiny including being questioned about security arrangements, your own personal details being put through PNC (in some London clubs all DJ’s and promoters are checked before they can host an event!) – if the event is permitted then both uniformed and plain-clothes officers may visit the event to check these security arrangements are being adhered to.

                                    The cops may well try and dissuade the venue manager from allowing the event so right fro the start you need to work with someone who is willing to host a dance music event.

                                    #1103494
                                    Anonymous

                                      Yeah that’s all cool, l’m not going to step on any toes cos l don’t want any visits from coppers – if there’s anyone tripping at the event, the flashing Police strobes and the sight of men with elongated helmets will just push them right over the edge lolol.

                                      :alien_abd :omg: :cyclop_2:
                                      #1103505
                                      MisterDuck
                                      Participant
                                        DynamicDon’tPanic wrote:
                                        Hi, l thought about putting this in the Sound Systems are but l think that area’s more to do with serious crews.

                                        I wanted to know:

                                        Could you DJ in a club/outdoor event using a 1.4Ghz laptop?

                                        It depends how many programs/things you wanna be doing really. If you are gonna wanna run loads of mixing programs, samplers, sequencers… the whole works… I’d go for a 2.4ghz or more laptop and 2GB of RAM. RAM is particularly important as well I think.

                                        #1103495
                                        Anonymous

                                          Thanks guys, l really appreciate your input and l have copied and pasted your advice into a notepad file.

                                          Please keep your suggestions coming as l think they will be of use to lots of ppl.

                                          Specific prices from own experience are most welcome!

                                          I also read a little bit about VJing in your Sound Systems section. Gosh it sounds really sophisticated. What about my idea of a camera projector, pointed at the monitor of a laptop, and transmitting the WinAmp / G-Force visualisation onto a large screen? Is that ok or would the graphics be really blocky when enlarged, and horrible?

                                          And are there any visualisations programs you can suggest apart from G-Force, that you can use on a budget?

                                          More suggestions about all the other stuff in the original post would be most welcome, and once again thanks for taking the time to type so much.

                                          #1103497
                                          General Lighting
                                          Moderator

                                            One thing I would strongly suggest is to use seperate machines for sound and vision, even with a high spec machine there’s a possiblity it will crash doing all those things at once unless the software is fully integrated…

                                            DynamicDon’tPanic wrote:
                                            I also read a little bit about VJing in your Sound Systems section. Gosh it sounds really sophisticated. What about my idea of a camera projector, pointed at the monitor of a laptop, and transmitting the WinAmp / G-Force visualisation onto a large screen? Is that ok or would the graphics be really blocky when enlarged, and horrible?

                                            :yakk:

                                            not a good idea, for the reasons you have mentioned.

                                            Most laptops have an external monitor connector, and you can set the operating system to “dual monitor mode”. You use the laptop screen to control the VJ program, and the LCD screen to show the mixed output.

                                            NB: This invariably seems to be a pure nightmare to set up initially. Experiment first before the night!

                                            Some of my friends are experimenting with visuals software. If they do not already see this thread I will ask them what they are using. Ironically I used to be well into all this stuff but haven’t had the time since taking a new job last year so am a bit out of touch with the software, although I still have the skills in hardware/making things work…

                                            #1103506
                                            Digital-A
                                            Participant
                                              DynamicDon’tPanic wrote:
                                              How would you get a generator?

                                              What’s a good price for [hire of] a generator?

                                              What’s a good price for the hire of a field?

                                              What’s a good price for the hire of a hall with facilities?

                                              What’s a good wage for bouncers per night?

                                              How do you promote yourself, apart from on here, what other ways are there and what costs are involved? I read something on the BBC website about using street crews to put promotional material out for free – l would never want to make ppl work for free out of desperation, although l wouldn’t mind if they just wanted to do voluntarily.

                                              If you’ve never done any raves before, could it be that nobody will turn up? Has that ever happened?

                                              we used to get our gennys from jewsons building yards, the guys in there do a good deal for us its around £35 – 40 a night and the promise itd come back safe … intact …

                                              hire of a field … i dont no how youd hire a field … have you got a mate with a farm or something like? basically a lot of property …

                                              hiring a hall all depends on the actual hall, what facilities it has and what the owners are willing to let out. in town theyll let out the hall to us for about a ton, thats a bouncer included …. best thing to do is get calling up … time of year can affect how much itll cost.

                                              ask bouncers in town (not on a busy night! this is so you have time to give them enough details to bring them round an interest them, no bouncer wants you talking to him on a saturday night in birmingham!) if they wouldnt mind doing an evening for you, theyll rip you off in payment but their wont be any trouble at your gig. but as i mentioned in the hall comment, hiring of the hall may include their resident bouncer.

                                              and promotion isnt my cuppa char, always been done with p.lines so i canni help you there

                                              tomm digital

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