@BioTech 486716 wrote:

As someone who isn’t really a big fan of psy-trance I haven’t followed IM too closely but know of their work and respect them as producers. They seem to be trying out new stuff and having fun with the music. Don’t really understand why everyone is hating them so much. Maybe I’m just getting too old.

I don’t really hate them, I just don’t enjoy their new stuff. I agree they are just experimenting what is what music’s all about if you wanna push the boundaries, but all the changes they have made to their music have kinda gone in the wrong direction imo. Firstly it was them horrible vocoda vocals and now this. If they having fun and people do like it, then I guess that’s all that matters (tbf even if no one at all but them liked it still doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it if they enjoy it them selves). It’s just not that appealing to me, I used to love their older stuff though.

saw them live years ago in london when they were in there prime,had my first breakthough trip on acid to them, ace stuff, i think they’ve def lost their mojo lately, just watch their live stuff painful. like thelog said i think the bald dudes been smoking all the other guys weed.

@kpop 486728 wrote:

saw them live years ago in london when they were in there prime

only time i’ve (nearly) seen them was at the stratford rex one time, security let loads of people in through the back doors for backhanders and it was so hot it brought us down, and too crowded even to move. we went home in the middle of the mushie’s set cos just weren’t enjoying it at all 🙁

As a massive fan of all that’s psy, I just think that the two genres are really polar opposites.

Even muse seem to be jumping on the dubstep bandwagon. Personally I can’t stand dubstep but I’m not gonna knock people for liking it. I appreciate what people are saying about music evolving etc but jumping onto a bandwagon is hardly pushing boundaries, it’s just producing what seems to be selling at the moment rather than sticking with your roots.

I guarantee if you played any died-in-the-wool dubstep aficionado some Hallucinogen or GMS they’d be like “What the fuck is that?”. Dubstep is so far from psychedelia in terms of ethos until someone does something really psychedelic in dubstep-land and proves me wrong.

Thank the flying spaghetti monster for Simon Posford!

phutureprimative are doing good things with dubstep/psydub [video]vnd.youtube:LgycnHFxuP8?vndapp=youtube_mobile&vndclient=mv-google&vndel=watch[/video]

I broke my slinkie!

sorry heres that link for phuturprimativehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsr7UqKyUrU

TBH there are a lot of watered down version of dance tracks which are virtually pop dance doing the rounds but many of them are there because “youth” radio stations have a very wide target age range (which they used to pitch for the ads what keep the station going) of 12-45. Thats what Kiss in UK, C-Dance in BE and 538/SLAM in NL tend to go for.

12-17 year olds can’t usually get into EDM events, and many 30-45 year olds don’t go to them because they have 12-17 year old kids and don’t want to set them a bad example, but these youths can usually spare a euro or two to get a track for their smartphone.

Also out of these kids, at least some will grow up to be the next lot of DJ’s and promoters when they are 18+. I confess that at my youth I probably did listen to some ropey pop dance (and chaps like Tiësto and David Guetta who are a bit older than me played it as mobile DJs) – believe you me there was far worse cheese than today. If you are too young to remember Europop just count yourself lucky.

Tiësto unashamedly works with pop artists and goes for the charts, he does actually produce some OK tunes in the longer versions (not the ones what get played on daytime radio stations). I’ve never seen him perform (and I’ve never heard anything by David Guetta) I do get the impression they go a bit more for the ego/image (Tiësto apparently has his own fashion label). but thats perhaps due to the age group. They are both quite smart though and shrewd in business and competitive.

The other big time trance producers who are about my age like AVB, Ferry Corsten etc seem a bit more down to earth – AVB’s fashion sense (when not at some photocall) is no better than mine, he also still dresses like he’s in the 80s/90s (though that does have benefits as it can make folk think you are way younger). Similarly Ørjan Nilsen, I saw a film of them at Hotel 538 (this outside broadcast from the lobby of a large hotel in S’Hertogensbosch) and they do both look about 19.. :laugh_at:

Because of this and that their relatively clean cut image means they get respect worldwide (Ferry was in Malaysia recently and there is still censorship there, and he was then off to Beiruit afterwards) they simply don’t try to be “underground” or street. You don’t catch them using swear words in their tracks, (or if they do there are warnings) making controversial poltiical statements or “clever” comments about drugs or playing at unlicensed events because they want their name to get get the airplay and into the robot DJ system and come up on peoples equipment when they listen to online radio

Also they don’t even take drugs which is good for the health and long term image, but they might not want to be DJ’ing every weekend when they are 45 or 50, or at least only do it in their home towns – hence trying to keep the younger generations interested.