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December 31, 2008 at 5:42 pm #1046270
even if the town goes dark at midnight i got the backup diesel genny ready to plug in so we can still party in the studio!
mad aint i lol! only cos i installed this changeover switch in our house and want to use it lol!
December 31, 2008 at 6:11 pm #1190093That’s well smart… nice work there Richie :love:
December 31, 2008 at 6:43 pm #1190094it was a bargain off ebay so i couldnt let it go lol, them 100 amp changeover switches usually cost hundreds. Plus i had to add my mod, lights, mains on alarm with silence switch u kno how it goes lol!
January 1, 2009 at 10:32 am #1190105I hope you have the required certification to be installing such electrical equipment in your own home.
January 1, 2009 at 4:22 pm #1190095@little luke 266692 wrote:
I hope you have the required certification to be installing such electrical equipment in your own home.
I’m a fully qualified electrical engineer, authorised to work on any installations and distribution systems upto 132,000 volts. Yes i issue certs too.
January 1, 2009 at 4:45 pm #1190106That’s ok then! Being an electrical/electronic engineer myself (albeit a design engineer and an not installation engineer) it does worry me that peopple do DIY electrics on their homes and don’t fully know the score.
January 1, 2009 at 6:15 pm #1190096lol yeah i know what u mean, i did full apprenticeship with the electricity board when i left school, qualified as electrical fitter (craftsman), then onto an electrical engineer – then 2 years later got laid off lol!
I seen some well dodgy stuff in my time even dodgy work carried out by NIC registered contractors which makes me laugh, work isnt as thorough as it used to be. Some of the ppl doin electrical installation courses nowadays get the answers to the exams given to them just to make the college have a high pass rate which is scary! 😮
January 3, 2009 at 8:07 pm #1190108djrichie_t;266759 wrote:lol yeah i know what u mean, i did full apprenticeship with the electricity board when i left school, qualified as electrical fitter (craftsman), then onto an electrical engineer – then 2 years later got laid off lol!I seen some well dodgy stuff in my time even dodgy work carried out by NIC registered contractors which makes me laugh, work isnt as thorough as it used to be. Some of the ppl doin electrical installation courses nowadays get the answers to the exams given to them just to make the college have a high pass rate which is scary! 😮
yeah when i was doing an electrical and mechanical enginering aprentaship there was this one girl on my cource (happened to be my girlfriend at the time :laugh_at:) that really couldn’t do any of the work .. but as she was the only girl on the cource the teachers basicaly did all her work for her to make sure she passed .. that made the class a bit p’d off .. but unfortunatly it’s not about teaching any more .. more about results .. no matter how you get them
January 3, 2009 at 11:12 pm #1190097its when u see sparkies pass an installation, issue a cert and in no way should they have even attempted the installation let alone certify it.
Simplest way of telling if some1 knows what they are doing, if there is room in the terminal, then conductors should always be doubled over in the back of socket outlets etc…. can cause probs over time if people dont bother with this. Very basic thing to remember at college.
Another one, dont use those little insulated crimp connectors on solid conductors (like 2.5mm T&E) as they wear loose after time.
Yet i often see much more dodgier stuff than this it makes me cringe… 1.5mm 3core and earth 2 on live, other and earth on neut feeding a 7kW leccy shower. and this was done by an NICEIC registered spark… spoke to NIC telling them and they were like ‘well he is registered so it must have been done properly’ Soon changed when i had to tell them what letters i had after my name lol!
theres loads more to this but i wont keep on ranting lol!
January 3, 2009 at 11:35 pm #1190103Worst electrical install I ever saw was at a venue where they had hijacked the mains from another building and there was no fuseboard in the circuits anywhere :you_crazy amazing
January 3, 2009 at 11:53 pm #1190098@Raj 267042 wrote:
Worst electrical install I ever saw was at a venue where they had hijacked the mains from another building and there was no fuseboard in the circuits anywhere :you_crazy amazing
lol yeah or the classic one where some silly twat decides to wire individual circuits straight onto the comb (busbar) on a cu rather than through a fuse/mcb
January 4, 2009 at 1:47 am #1190104Seen one of those too :hiding:
January 4, 2009 at 8:31 am #1190089Anonymouswhile were on the subgect what do i need to build to get a circit breaker fuse box type thing to go between my generator and sockets? i also want surge protection other than whats on the extention leads & something to regulate the current abit more.
January 4, 2009 at 10:46 am #1190109djrichie_t;267037 wrote:Simplest way of telling if some1 knows what they are doing, if there is room in the terminal, then conductors should always be doubled over in the back of socket outlets etc…. can cause probs over time if people dont bother with this. Very basic thing to remember at college.yeah that was the first thing i was taugh in instalation .. and my tutor was good with that as it goes as he would not pass a circuit unless it was done this way …. but he was color blind (guess thats why he was a teacher and not a propper spark).. used to have to ask the pupils what color certain wires were and what color the bord maker he was using was :laugh_at: but thats another story haha
January 4, 2009 at 11:19 am #1190099@MrAHC 267070 wrote:
while were on the subgect what do i need to build to get a circit breaker fuse box type thing to go between my generator and sockets? i also want surge protection other than whats on the extention leads & something to regulate the current abit more.
What sorta genny is it, single/3phase and is it diesel?
January 4, 2009 at 1:05 pm #1190090Anonymousdjrichie_t;267101 wrote:What sorta genny is it, single/3phase and is it diesel?duno its a honda petrol 4.5 kva someone told me what it was but i forgot
January 4, 2009 at 5:13 pm #1190100Sure thing, Yeah i always advise people to use diesel generators as petrol gennies are always surging. Problem is that the engines do not run as steady and cause fluctuations in the alternator which are still sine wave, and as such any surge protector will not stop these type of surges.
Petrol gennies are only really meant for non-sensitive power tools and such like. A second hand lister diesel is what you need they can be as cheap as £300 and can run on used cooking oil 🙂 Much safer/less of a fire risk too.
As for using an outlet with circuit breakers theres loads of different options available. Depends really how much you want to spend theres simple in-line rcd’s or you can make your own board up out of a small consumer unit – just have two RCBO’s one going to each double socket, with an incomong lead that plugs into the genny. RCBO is best option as each one provides overcurrent/earth protection independantly, an inline rcd will be ok but will cut everything off.
Important….. Always make sure the genny is properly earthed with an earth rod and… to be 100% safe the earth and neutral must be joined inside the genny. This will mimic your normal mains supply and will ensure any RCD works as it should. Some sparkies may disagree or be unsure but the science is there to prove it!
January 4, 2009 at 5:37 pm #1190107djrichie_t;267044 wrote:lol yeah or the classic one where some silly twat decides to wire individual circuits straight onto the comb (busbar) on a cu rather than through a fuse/mcbThat’s criminal. The first bit of design I do on a panel is always the fuse protection for anything that’s being fed off the busbars.
January 4, 2009 at 6:57 pm #1190091Anonymousdjrichie_t;267162 wrote:Important….. Always make sure the genny is properly earthed with an earth rod and… to be 100% safe the earth and neutral must be joined inside the genny. This will mimic your normal mains supply and will ensure any RCD works as it should. Some sparkies may disagree or be unsure but the science is there to prove it!Mines alreay earthed to the frame or has no earth option or I dont know how to do it.
I have no idea about what all them rcd ect is. lol
can you give some advice in laymans tearms so i can understand
January 4, 2009 at 9:49 pm #1190101Easiest way to overcome this problem is to buy one of these…..
VAN STOCK UK. MCB / RCD Protected distribution 110v / 240v
The first or 2nd one whichever you prefer. When you get it, unscrew the plug (that goes into the genny) and link the neutral and earth together. this will provide your neutral/earth link.
Clearly label the lead ‘neutral/earth linked – generator use only!’
And to earth the generator get an earth rod into the ground and link with a piece of wire (2.5mm earth cable min for 16 amp) from the rod to the generator earth point (or any part of the alternator metalwork if theres no earth point)
That will give you the protection you need, so if there was ever an earth fault that could cause a shock the RCD (Residual Current Device) will trip.
HANDY TIP!…. When putting an earth rod in soil, take a piss on the ground before you put the rod in. it will make better earth resistance and…. if you have had a few cans of stella, the chemicals in that once gone through you give even better resistance! (good old electricity board advice that one!)
January 5, 2009 at 10:07 am #1190092Anonymousdjrichie_t;267213 wrote:Easiest way to overcome this problem is to buy one of these…..VAN STOCK UK. MCB / RCD Protected distribution 110v / 240v
The first or 2nd one whichever you prefer. When you get it, unscrew the plug (that goes into the genny) and link the neutral and earth together. this will provide your neutral/earth link.
Clearly label the lead ‘neutral/earth linked – generator use only!’
And to earth the generator get an earth rod into the ground and link with a piece of wire (2.5mm earth cable min for 16 amp) from the rod to the generator earth point (or any part of the alternator metalwork if theres no earth point)
That will give you the protection you need, so if there was ever an earth fault that could cause a shock the RCD (Residual Current Device) will trip.
HANDY TIP!…. When putting an earth rod in soil, take a piss on the ground before you put the rod in. it will make better earth resistance and…. if you have had a few cans of stella, the chemicals in that once gone through you give even better resistance! (good old electricity board advice that one!)
I’m not alowed stella coz i eat cars if i drink it! will carling do?
January 6, 2009 at 12:08 pm #1190102haha i think pretty much any beer has similar stuff in it, just stella always worked better for me lol!
Which beer gives the best readings…. hmmm maybe this should go to brainiac hahahaha
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