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July 18, 2006 at 9:20 pm #1083222Mr-X wrote:I dont work, its great.
Me neither :bounce_fl
With the weather we’ve been having – it’s great to just sit outside all day in the sunshine :bounce_g:
July 18, 2006 at 9:30 pm #1083239GoodDoG wrote:A mate of mine used to say the unemployed play a valuable role in the work ethic,ie when normal decent people see strays and wastrels struggling to survive on fuck all ,they think ,fuck me i dont want to end up like that and keep thier noses to the grindstone a bit more.Couldn’t have put it better myself. Who needs a job when all those hard working tax payers pay for my flat, council tax and other benefit perks. Can u imagine workin’ in a fookin office in 93 degree heat. They must be fookin barmy.:you_crazy :you_crazy
July 18, 2006 at 10:02 pm #1083215Agent Subby wrote:Couldn’t have put it better myself. Who needs a job when all those hard working tax payers pay for my flat, council tax and other benefit perks. Can u imagine workin’ in a fookin office in 93 degree heat. They must be fookin barmy.:you_crazy :you_crazyget some self resepct mate
no-one loves a bum :yakk:
July 19, 2006 at 5:33 am #1083227Agent Subby wrote:Who needs a job when all those hard working tax payers pay for my flat, council tax and other benefit perks. Can u imagine workin’ in a fookin office in 93 degree heat. They must be fookin barmy.:you_crazy :you_crazyI’m sure you are joking,right..
Have been going home sick for 7 month and have never felt more ashamed..Taking money from strangers who work their ass off every day..
I see a lot of people enjoying staying home because they get everything paid for them.Some of them even have more money for themself than I have..But it is not allways peoples own fault that they are going home..Sombody just cant work..
IMO there is work to everyone who wants to work.. (is in denmark)Maybe not the job of your dream,but you have to start somewhere..A bit messy written,sorry..
July 19, 2006 at 7:51 am #1083208Agent Subby wrote:Couldn’t have put it better myself. Who needs a job when all those hard working tax payers pay for my flat, council tax and other benefit perks. Can u imagine workin’ in a fookin office in 93 degree heat. They must be fookin barmy.:you_crazy :you_crazyunfortunately they are not – they are just angry and waiting for the time they can get their payback.
You are old enough to remember Thatcho, and what she did to Britains social security / welfare safeguards (including the wholesale dismantling/privatisation of much of the public sector and social housing sector)
Ever actually considered how and more importantly why she was voted into power? And why today Tony Blair is unwilling to support many social welfare projects as they create a “dependency culture?”
Worse still, when by your own admission you have made yourself “unemployable” by taking class A drugs to the level of addiction, a lot of the Civil Servants who sort out your claims etc will have noted this.
If you don’t tell them, the NHS will.
Even if they don’t pass on your name, the numbers of people in each area who claim social benefits because of drug problems or usage making it difficult for them to find employment are counted. The cost of their treatment – your treatment is also counted. It is done (in your area) in a place called GO-NW (Government Office for the North-West)
In this case its a cost shouldered by all of us; especially when the people in Whitehall and Westminster count the cost of drug use and tell the Police to clamp down on it.
it explains why there is still drug prohbition in the modern world and comes straight back to ravers who get their parties and clubs raided and are subject to a phenomenal level of state surveillance – it seems barmy to us, but if just a small proportion of drug users end up on benefit, unemployed or commiting crime through addiction the sums spent on trying to “stop drugs culture” appear to add up (even though prohibition is ultimately a flawed strategy)
sorry if this sounds harsh (and you are by no means the only person who has gone down this road), but its worth considering the consequences of constantly using the welfare safety net.
Sometimes the people holding it up can get tired and walk away.
July 19, 2006 at 8:15 am #1083232Well I’ve worked as a dental nurse for four years now but went down to part time in september when I started a full time degree in acupuncture.
I’m on my summer hols now and am loving the student life!!:bounce_fl
OTOH I am also a full time mum so this keeps me on my toes.
Having the summer off is great but i’m not sure I could cope with not working/studying all year round. Would die of bordem!:crazy:
July 19, 2006 at 9:08 am #1083220angel wrote:I’m sure you are joking,right..
Have been going home sick for 7 month and have never felt more ashamed..Taking money from strangers who work their ass off every day..
I see a lot of people enjoying staying home because they get everything paid for them.Some of them even have more money for themself than I have..But it is not allways peoples own fault that they are going home..Sombody just cant work..
IMO there is work to everyone who wants to work.. (is in denmark)Maybe not the job of your dream,but you have to start somewhere..A bit messy written,sorry..
My dad moved back to Denmark mainly to find work again (he’s always flitted between UK, Norway & DK) and has been settled for a few years now with no probs. I know the guy I work for in Norway sometimes had problems finding staff for his factory coz he’d only pay 120NOK p/h and people have latched onto the idea of claiming “work induced stress” and getting hefty payments from the government, my sis in Oslo was told to sign off by the docs when she found out she was pregnant and had suffered from stress in the past!
July 19, 2006 at 9:38 am #1083203Anonymous
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Posts: 21i left my job in april…best thing i did…im a beauticain by trade..was i ve left that not interested in it…moved to cust advisor for o2 for a bit…good money hours fitted in around college….where ive just qualified as a teaching assistant for special needs children…foundation key stage 1,2, i want to work with…am applying for jobs ready for september when the kids go back….my husbands a teacher so it fits in well…
need a job fast as cash is running low…its good been off in this weather able to go out swimming cycling walking all that…im off out in a bit cycling…..:love:
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July 20, 2006 at 5:40 am #1083240angel wrote:I’m sure you are joking,right..
Have been going home sick for 7 month and have never felt more ashamed..Taking money from strangers who work their ass off every day..
I see a lot of people enjoying staying home because they get everything paid for them.Some of them even have more money for themself than I have..But it is not allways peoples own fault that they are going home..Sombody just cant work..
IMO there is work to everyone who wants to work.. (is in denmark)Maybe not the job of your dream,but you have to start somewhere..A bit messy written,sorry..
At least someone ‘gets’ my irony. I’ve only ever done boring jobs, banking, insurance and a plethora of other admin work. I’ve just overcome a 12 year opiate addiction life of hell and i don’t intend going back so I’ve decided to put my knowledge to some good use and i start a counselling course at college in September:wink:
July 20, 2006 at 5:42 am #1083228Agent Subby wrote:At least someone ‘gets’ my irony. I’ve only ever done boring jobs, banking, insurance and a plethora of other admin work. I’ve just overcome a 12 year opiate addiction life of hell and i don’t intend going back so I’ve decided to put my knowledge to some good use and i start a counselling course at college in September:wink:🙂
July 20, 2006 at 5:43 am #1083241globalloon wrote:get some self resepct mateno-one loves a bum :yakk:
Hhhmmmmmmmm! I don’t know about that mate. I love a nice shapely ladies’ bum:groucho: :groucho:
July 20, 2006 at 6:12 am #1083242General Lighting wrote:unfortunately they are not – they are just angry and waiting for the time they can get their payback.You are old enough to remember Thatcho, and what she did to Britains social security / welfare safeguards (including the wholesale dismantling/privatisation of much of the public sector and social housing sector)
Ever actually considered how and more importantly why she was voted into power? And why today Tony Blair is unwilling to support many social welfare projects as they create a “dependency culture?”
Worse still, when by your own admission you have made yourself “unemployable” by taking class A drugs to the level of addiction, a lot of the Civil Servants who sort out your claims etc will have noted this.
If you don’t tell them, the NHS will.
Even if they don’t pass on your name, the numbers of people in each area who claim social benefits because of drug problems or usage making it difficult for them to find employment are counted. The cost of their treatment – your treatment is also counted. It is done (in your area) in a place called GO-NW (Government Office for the North-West)
In this case its a cost shouldered by all of us; especially when the people in Whitehall and Westminster count the cost of drug use and tell the Police to clamp down on it.
it explains why there is still drug prohbition in the modern world and comes straight back to ravers who get their parties and clubs raided and are subject to a phenomenal level of state surveillance – it seems barmy to us, but if just a small proportion of drug users end up on benefit, unemployed or commiting crime through addiction the sums spent on trying to “stop drugs culture” appear to add up (even though prohibition is ultimately a flawed strategy)
sorry if this sounds harsh (and you are by no means the only person who has gone down this road), but its worth considering the consequences of constantly using the welfare safety net.
Sometimes the people holding it up can get tired and walk away.
I won’t bother with a long winded reply. But read my previous posts and all so take into consideration that opiate/opiode addiction is a disease as stated by the WHO! BTW I have NEVER committed crime to fund my addiction so the patronization once more aimed at me is not justified. You have obviously taken an interest in my previous posts and if you don’t read or ‘get’ my sense of humour then it is not my problem. It’s a damn good job I won’t be judging fellow addicts in the same derogatory way that you seem to get off on, by quoting stacks of organizations that wouldn’t seem out of place in George Orwell’s ‘Big Brother’. And could you please inform me ‘which road’ I have gone down so I can remember to quote it on application forms that ask for ‘previous addresses’? Oh another thing: Please inform me ‘by my own admission’ that I have made myself ‘unemployable’? Luckily when I complete my studies on something that is of interest to me I will not be a victim of all these prejudice’s organizations figures when it comes to applying for a belated but interesting career. And I am NOT claiming benefit for my addiction. FYI I have a long standing PHYSICAL illness which I have managed to control by my OWN and NOT the nhs’s treatment programme. Ayurvedic (alternative) treatment at MY own cost and not the 26 week chematheropy course (£14,000) which ‘they’ wanted me to try!
Any more facts you require before another diatribe can be obtained on this forum via a PM. Thank you and good morning!July 20, 2006 at 7:35 am #1083209Agent Subby wrote:You have obviously taken an interest in my previous posts and if you don’t read or ‘get’ my sense of humour then it is not my problem.its sometimes hard to tell whether you are being serious or not 😉 – but there are, as others said a lot of people who genuinely sponge off the state, do not care a flying fuck about doing so and wreck the valid reasons for having social welfare benefit.
When you add to a thread trying to justify this sort of behaviour (even in jest) it doesn’t help especially when people don’t know you that well. You never mentioned all the positive things oyu had done elsewhere on the board either! The only other discussions I have had with you are about terrorism and war; hardly matters to joke about.
I’m sorry but whilst opiate addiction is a disease; how did you get it in the first place?
If it was because you had a physical accident, hurt yourself and got addicted to prescribed opiates fair enough; but otherwise no one forces any of us to take drugs.
We all make mistakes and have to accept the consequences; one of those is that you will always be judged – maybe not so much by progressive people like us ravers but by wider society, your employers and potential employers, family, cops etc. Harsh but thats the way life is.
I can understand why you are being defensive – I expect you have had all sorts of hassle from your family because of your drug use and lifestyle and you are reaching the age where you are expected to “settle down and behave”. I am probably not too far off that age myself TBH, only about 5-10 years or so. (Bear in mind I am also Asian and know all about “family ties and responsibilities” that affect our community (but they are the same family ties that help you when you go wrong)
Quote:It’s a damn good job I won’t be judging fellow addicts in the same derogatory way that you seem to get off on, by quoting stacks of organizations that wouldn’t seem out of place in George Orwell’s ‘Big Brother’.Its not me whose actually judging you – I’m merely pointing out that all these organisations exist and will judge you – and me – and others. I never you had commited crime either, but a lot of addicts (of all drugs) have done so, a lot of people from the rave scene go on to problematic patterns of drug use; and the burden they create on the state is being monitored.
Big Brother is watching us, judging and taking punitive action and there is fuck all we can do about it at the moment.
I myself have been arrested a few of times for small amounts of drugs and minor law-breaking related to raves; only ever been cautioned but it still makes life difficult even years later. For instance I may need to visit my family in Malaysia becaue my grandmother has not been well; but I’m worried about getting the visa – I too am classed as an “addict” (same with USA) just for piddling amounts of drugs for personal use! I also pointed this out also for the those reading who may wonder why drugs prohibition and the clampdown on raves (which I am opposed to) exists in the first place…
All us drug users (or ex drug users) live in glass houses and its not a good idea to fling stones about and reinforce negative sterotypes; even in “jest”.
There are many younger people on this board and as older ravers we actually do have some responsibility to encourage them to enjoy themselves but look after themselves; otherwise “Big Brother” will have the justification to destroy the rave scene.
You have done a lot of creditable things to help yourself though. Why not elaborate more on them in the drugs section; along with elliot’s rehab diary?
I can see you are a decent chap and if you want to be a counsellor (and you would make a good one particularly to the British Asian community), why not start by using your time on here to emphasise the positive stuff as well?
BTW you remind me a lot of an uncle of mine who suffered from addictions. Sadly he passed away a few years ago as although he really did try to sort himself out his efforts weren’t quite good enough (he tended to replace one addiction with another) and he had already damaged his body. Despite your mistakes you have a chance to do a lot of good for yourself and others and I hope you manage to do it.
July 20, 2006 at 12:05 pm #1083243“If it was because you had a physical accident, hurt yourself and got addicted to prescribed opiates fair enough; but otherwise no one forces any of us to take drugs.”
No one FORCED me to try heroin 13 years ago but that still doesn’t constitute that heroin addiction ISN’T a disease. Comprehensive studies worldwide have proven that certain people are born with a gene that can, and probably will, lead themselves to an addiction of some sort. Mine unfortunately gave rise to an opiate/opiode addiction of which I am now on the road to recovery. I already post a daily diary on an opiate-detox forum on which there are some very compasionate and altruistic addicts. If it will be of help to anybody else, then I will post a similar diary on Ellot’s thread. BTW I will always be an addict even after fully detoxing (with the grace of God) from this misunderstood opiode; Subutex.
As far as everything you have wished for me; I can only say “I appreciate your kind words and hope that you continue to support me in my quest for ‘freedom of opiates'” Thankyou:wink:
Oh BTW please don’t take this as a patronizing fact, but on my last visit to KL I didn’t have to apply for a visa. Customs just stamped my passport for a 3 month stay. But that was in 2003, so ‘things’ could have changed. Good luck in visiting Malaysia (beautiful country) and I hope your grandmother is on the road to recovery.July 20, 2006 at 12:56 pm #1083233kirsti wrote:Heyy I work in an office and i get really bored, so i am always on the net..How many of you’s come on here all day when your supposed to be working?? :yawn:Yeah i work – or supposedly i do :groucho:
July 20, 2006 at 1:16 pm #1083225meee!!
but I am hard at work in between.
July 20, 2006 at 6:37 pm #1083229I work as the IT Systems Administrator a call centre in the market research company – worked here about four years now.
Only a small company of 130-ish employees and just turned 10 years old and the owners of company have just retired and promoted the lass who was marketing manager to being MD – luckily one of my best mates within the company – she used to go to free parties etc around Coventry area i n the early 90’s but settled down now so only person in company with any idea what I get up to:wink: which is cool now.
Apparently they had a board meetign other week and I’ve been ear marked as one of people they view as key to company’s development over nxt ten years so sitting in really good position workwise now – job security and nice prospects for nxt 10 years and beyond AS LONG AS DONT FUCK UP!!!!
Main reason I’d fuck it up is by getting hammered so calming down a lot now – dont wanna look back at this time in a few years and realise blown an opportunity!
Cool thing is that as I’m the systems administrator I’m in charge of policing the company’s IT policy inc. internet usage so tend to take my breaks at work during the day by going on net rather than having a proper dinner break.
Downside is that although technically work 9-5 Mon to Fri, never actually finish before half five and my mobile is the technical support line for everyone the entire business hours (Mon – Fri 9-9, and Sat 9-1) which has led to some situations – once spent several hours on phone to work on a Sat morn while steaming on coke and madman giving tech advice – fuck knows how pulled that one off but managed it – amazing how quick you can get a grip when you have no choice!!!!
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