@PhilKmorgan 374108 wrote:

Would you or would you not hesitate ????

i would. buti would not hesitate.
@Iacchus 374110 wrote:

From our perspective we are the only sentient life in the known universe, we have risen to the capability to be able to understand and manipulate the world around us, and if you try to contribute to society then I think you do have a significance.

but what if you percieve society as insignificant?

@Playground Politics 374114 wrote:

sorry josh, but i think seeing nothing as significant is extremely ignorant

in what way?

@PhilKmorgan 374119 wrote:

Maybe Mr J’s angle was along the lines of this excerpt (from Wiki):

However, “nothingness” has been treated as a serious subject worthy of research for a very long time. In philosophy, to avoid linguistic traps over the meaning of “nothing”, a phrase such as not-being is often employed to unambiguously make clear what is being discussed.

partially… its more that everything around life involves emotion and feeling, and if you take that away, you just see existence – birth, life, death.. and from that perspective i perceive nothing as significant. But obviously from a day to day basis, i do, or i would descend into a bad way

@Playground Politics 374114 wrote:

sorry josh, but i think seeing nothing as significant is extremely ignorant

it all depends on how you interpret significance.

@PhilKmorgan 374130 wrote:

One is reminded of Mr Starlaughs signature, really quite insightful:

It’s all academic really; we will outgrow religion as we’ve outgrown our belief in goblins and dragons. One day we will just accept our mortality, and get on with the business of living.

@Playground Politics 374179 wrote:

@buzz and josh

I am significant, you are significant, my granny is significant, barak obama is significant, we all have one significant thing in common and that ability is to change our outlook and inlook. when i mean outlook i mean how we effect things and each other how we can save someones life or how we can hurt someone by shouting at them. we all can change our inlook by thinking differently, or choosing to do something. we all have free will. and that ultimately makes us significant in the only truth we have, that we are one, we are here now. the present makes this fact. the present makes us significant

religion tries to make the future significant (life after death?)

history tries to make the past significant

take a step back from the society bubble & you will see my point of view: we are just another lifeform, another species. my nan isnt significant. my mum isnt significant. im not significant. nobody, nothing is significant, especially within the human race – we are a parasite, we are toxic to the environment. we cant give anything back, what we call environmentally friendly is just something less harmful, but still harmful. we leech of the earth and then we die… i dont see us or our lifetimes as significant when i put my mind to it, but through everyday life, yes i will see significant things in life such as music.

@Playground Politics 374179 wrote:

@buzz and josh

…..we all have free will and that ultimately makes us significant

This seems reasonable..

@GiantMidget 374198 wrote:

Jesus man. you might be a parasite but I’m not. Other than the music part i think that’s a very sad way of looking at life especially from someone as young as you.

My advice to you is find a really fit bird and get your nuts wet, this will (hopefully) change your outlook of life. raaa

thats not like my everyday outlook, its just speculation when i am looking at everything as a whole… in everyday life, i do see the weekend pussy & cider as a very significant thing :weee:

@Playground Politics 374208 wrote:

we obviously just disagree whitch is cool. i think my only arguement to that iswe have choice to drive a 4×4 or to ride a bike, there is that integral choice and free will. also we are a creature that cares and loves. my mum thinks im significant, and a lot of my friends think im significant and visa versa.

I think on a bigger level than what i can see, i cannot comment on because its not fact. i think alot of ppl see that bigger level when they come into contact with drugs (LSD DMT etcetcetc) Do i think its a worthwhile topic to base an opinion on, probably not for me.

thats what i meant… i love and care everyone around me, but thinking on a higher level i do see it as insignificant… but i suppose “Do i think its a worthwhile topic to base an opinion on, probably not for me” sums it up really, its not really worth considering a higher level since you will never be on one… i do agree :love:

@Playground Politics 374179 wrote:

we all have free will. and that ultimately makes us significant in the only truth we have, that we are one, we are here now.

You cannot simply say we have free will. As it could be argued that any decisions we make are ultimately influenced by the the society we live in, the situations we find ourselves in and how we have been socialised. Your decisions are based on knowledge passed on from others. So whos to say that they are your decisions?

Significance, like God, all depends on how you interpret the word. For instance, Would you consider a God an actual physical entity which consciously choose to create the universe? or would you consider God as simply the reason behind why the universe exists (as some do)? By this reasoning, God could be interpreted to be the Big Bang?

At the end of the day, these terms are both just words.

@Playground Politics 374505 wrote:

I have free will, I dont understand how your saying i dont. They are my decisions because I make them, daily.

You think they are your decisions but are they? While we believe that each decision we make is ours and ours alone, they are influenced by multiple outside factors and/or biological/chemical causes. Our socialisation early on in life plays a massive part in how we live our life. Pressures from society will force us to behave. While evaluating a decision you need to make, you may see one of the choices as illogical, but how have you learned what is logical and what is illogical?

I personally don’t like the arguement against free will, im just offering another opinion as this is an interesting discussion.

@Iacchus 374506 wrote:

If there is no free will then you are basically saying there is no random or conscious element in the universe, and everything that ever happened or will happen is completely predestined and written out somewhere in a script

If that is the case, who wrote the script? Why that script and not another one? The universe makes no sense if free will is an illusion.

don’t confuse free will with chance. randomness exists.

in vain, trying to understand the universe. it doesnt work like we do. we dont even know about our own world, let alone a universe, if universes even exist.

@PhilKmorgan 374573 wrote:

It would really be a headfuk if it didn’t after all :you_crazy

:weee:

@Diceface 374603 wrote:

all the worlds money shud go into exploring the universe

and also pushing the boundaries of understanding the significance of nothing..

i dunno man, we have been sending millions of pounds every year for years to these poor countries and they are still in a mess, i dont think money is the answer to that problem.