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    YoungOne
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      Any of you guys know a good home system? round £100ish would good.
      Im just trying to setup something with around 500-600w as my small sub is only 100w 🙁
      i dont mind buying all the speakers indevidualy etc aslong as everything comes to bellow £100ish
      someone help me out?

      #1252662
      General Lighting
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        do you mean a entire system with amp, or just loudspeakers and cabinets for equipment you already have? and is this for music, surround (i.e more than 2 channel) or both?

        Unless you live in a very big house a half killowatt of audio power maybe overkill.

        My system is a medium range Japanese amp, two Control 1 speakers on one pair and two larger unbranded Chinese cabs (like young people often put in their rooms as “mini stacks”). neither are the most sensitive speakers (db/W TBH), I bought them because they were relatively good value – although I don’t need to always worry about budgets I work long hours so don’t always have the time to enjoy music I would like. still way better than what I had when I was younger (a great deal of which I have recently seen on vintage hi fi sites :laugh_at)

        All these are 8R impedance and connected to the A and B speaker pairs respectively. This is 2 x 100W RMS output from the amp and even though I live alone in a end house (so no neighbours one side) and the big speakers are angled to reduce noise pollutio elsewhere, were I to rinse this every day I expect I would have the Council to my house and be handed a noise violation.

        #1252671
        YoungOne
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          @General Lighting 476680 wrote:

          do you mean a entire system with amp, or just loudspeakers and cabinets for equipment you already have? and is this for music, surround (i.e more than 2 channel) or both?

          Unless you live in a very big house a half killowatt of audio power maybe overkill.

          Entire system, maybe CD player etc but most likely il wire my ipod to it or another music player so probably wont need it and yeah i was thinking more then 2 channel, and do you realy think 500w is too much? my room is like 5×3 meters, i plan to spread the speakers out evenly so i get a nice smooth sound coming from every corner, what do you think i should get? That some neat system you got btw! My freind has a 350w stereo in his living room its not bad but im looking for more of a bassy type of sound, if that makes any sense? :weee:

          #1252667
          cheeseweasel
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            I think my hifi speakers are about 50W each (and my amp is 30W@8R/ch) and it’s uncomfortably loud if I turn it up (and if I was to push it I’d risk damaging my speakers).

            What is the ‘100W’ sub you have? Not a computer sub is it? Cos you can ignore any claims about wattage if it is (wattage is a pretty poor indicator of loudness anyway, even in professional gear).

            You won’t need a 500W sub in your room anyway. That’s basically a small PA sub. Here’s a 700W one that I use at work a lot and a pair of these will give enough bass for a party at a small club/bar. You definitely won’t get one for under £100 and then you’ll need a power amp to drive it and a crossover to split the full-range signal.

            If I was you I’d keep an eye on Ebay for a nice pair of second-hand hifi speakers (there are always loads of quality 80s hifi speakers on there that sell for fuck all, have a look on there for b&w or mission speakers to name a couple). Don’t worry about wattage, if it’s a good make and it looks big and loud, it will probably do the job.

            #1252672
            YoungOne
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              @cheeseweasel 476686 wrote:

              What is the ‘100W’ sub you have?
              You won’t need a 500W.

              Its a ‘Arcustic Solutions’ or something? however its old and it distorts too much when its turned up loud and cant plug any speakers into it as it gives off a an annoying loud ‘hum’ and you misunderstood me bro, i want an entire system not just speakers haha, i want an amp + speakers but thanks for the advice about ebay il keep a look out on it bro.

              #1252668
              cheeseweasel
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                Ok, was just trying to figure out what your system actually was. You get those all-in-one plastic hi-fis that have ‘Xtreme Bass!’ and ‘500W Power’ printed all over them to make them look better than they are and wondered if you had something like that, or a 2.1 computer system (which often have ridiculous power ratings).

                Anyway, if you’re serious about getting a decent system then a separate amp and speakers should be the way forward. Will sound better and louder than an off-the-shelf hifi, be much cheaper if you buy from ebay and you can plug your ipod straight into the amp. You’ll have to buy the amp and speakers separately but its not a big deal.

                #1252673
                YoungOne
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                  Yeah im thinking of getting a decent amp+speakers combo for £100ish but its so hard to find nowadays, did find this however:
                  Ebay—-
                  Dont know if its any good? only has outputs for 2 speakers…

                  #1252663
                  General Lighting
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                    IMO a multi channel (more than 2) system is only really worth it if you are couch potato what watches a lot of telly and movies. Maybe modern computer games also use this surround sound, I don’t play them so don’t know!

                    if you end up seriously into music, it is still mostly stereo and sounds best in that configuration. Just angle the speakers in such a way so the middle point is where you spend most of the time in this room.

                    Certainly in my 20s it wasn’t unusual to end up with a hi fi system as old as you or older, and for 2 channel analogue audio there haven’t really been many innovations since the 1980s. About 100W per channel was the maximum.

                    bear in mind also a 350W or 500W hi fi, though not unfeasible today will need more than that of electric to power it, and if used for a a few hours each day along with something like a big desktop PC will be a fair bit of power. if you still live in the family home this has the risk of setting you up for the unwanted argument with your parents on the comedown when the bill comes in . in a shared house you would get the same unpleasantness with your housemates, and more so if they are genuinely “right on hippy” types as you get judged for being decadent, a consumer sheep and all sorts (probably better off with parents lol)

                    For bass you need a good size woofer in the loudspeakers. I tend to use the JBLs for near field and the bigger pair for bass. your room is about the same size as the one I keep my computers and AV kit in.

                    #1252664
                    General Lighting
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                      @YoungOne 476691 wrote:

                      Yeah im thinking of getting a decent amp+speakers combo for £100ish but its so hard to find nowadays, did find this however:
                      Ebay—-
                      Dont know if its any good? only has outputs for 2 speakers…

                      it looks similar to ones that CPC in Leeds/Lancashire(?) sell. probably not bad kit but I’d get the stuff from CPC as at least if its faulty or completely wrong delivery they aren’t too bad at sorting out cockups (had to return a DOA amp and once they tried to deliver 3 large TV sets to me instead of other kit (I rarely watch TV!)).

                      Also that sort of amp may have a big noisy fan in it (adding to any other noisy fans in your PC, graphics card) and if you live at the family home still tends to freak out parents, who think you are going to run a illegal rave out of your bedroom :laugh_at:

                      #1252674
                      YoungOne
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                        Damn General, your a real keyboard addict… its like reading a book everytime you post lol!
                        I apriciate all the info man realy helping me out and yeah im not going to have it on 24/7 and i dont mind the noisy fan as im used to
                        sleeping with the loud fans on my computer, im worried about the bill tough shure and my parents are mostly out so its only the neighbours i have to worry about:wink:
                        And you should have realy kept those tv’s god knows how much you could make up for re-selling them lol. So do you think should get it?
                        I saw this other amp that looks quite sexy… LINK-LINK-LINK
                        I just want a decent system for £100ish, if you could find me some other speakers/amp thats worth a shot ill kindly look into it further 😛 its just you know how hard it is
                        picking your first decent system lol.

                        #1252669
                        cheeseweasel
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                          @YoungOne 476691 wrote:

                          Yeah im thinking of getting a decent amp+speakers combo for £100ish but its so hard to find nowadays, did find this however:
                          Ebay—-
                          Dont know if its any good? only has outputs for 2 speakers…

                          They will be pretty awful and probably produce a less bassy (but overall louder) sound than what you’ve got already. They only have 8″ woofers, which won’t get you much bass in a PA speaker. And whilst it says they’re 1000W they’re not – this is the peak power rating of both speakers combined. This is a common marketing trick to make them seem louder than competitors products (the RMS power of each speaker, a much more useful rating, is actually 200W (and even then, there are tricks manufacturers use to make this number as big as possible)). I seriously wouldn’t worry too much about getting the most ‘watts’ for your money.

                          You’d be much better off going for a pair of second-hand floorstanding hifi speakers and an amp. You’ll be able to get something really good and bassy that will fill your room and still have change out of £100. E.g. 2 minutes looking on ebay turned up these (though I’d email the seller first to check they’re in alright nick) and then find a suitable amp. They will have cost a lot of money in their day and will sound so much better than those cheap disco speakers where every corner will have been cut to make them cheaper than £100.

                          #1252675
                          YoungOne
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                            uhm, yeah i found some Eltax Symphony speakers for around £50, and the best thing bout them is their buynows instead of auctions, i apriciate this alot man!
                            Not only did you explain the whole watts thing to me but made me understand it quite simply. Now to get it all together 😀

                            #1252665
                            General Lighting
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                              them 3 tellies wouldn’t have sold for much more than CPC sell them anyway and the parcel of kit I was expecting wasn’t a great deal cheaper. I bought one new telly recently only because my mum had come to stay for a bit and the old one it was on the analogue transmissions which were switched off, and this one can also be used as a PC monitor. Did try watching a bit of telly but was annoyed by the awful picture quality the BBC News are sending (might be because the London studios are being run down and moved to manchester). I used to work on some of their equipment so know what good video should look like.

                              a similar one of those amps is sold by CPC for about the same price and was what I returned as it was dead as mutton. I don’t like the practice either of them being sold with EU plugs and a sketchy looking Chinese adapter when they should be terminated on UK plugs and there are better adaptors if amps do have europlugs (mine does)

                              I bought the Sony receiver which was slightly over £100 instead from an Amazon. A “receiver” contains an Band II (FM) and MW radio as well as amplifier and may not be of interest to you unless you have a good community or even pirate station what plays music you like.

                              my younger sister may well still have a pair of Eltax Symphony speakers, from what I remember they weren’t bad. My only concern with buying speakers second hand from the 90s era is some bedroom DJ of my generation may well have proper caned them already…

                              #1252676
                              YoungOne
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                                @General Lighting 476703 wrote:

                                my younger sister may well still have a pair of Eltax Symphony speakers, from what I remember they weren’t bad. My only concern with buying speakers second hand from the 90s era is some bedroom DJ of my generation may well have proper caned them already…

                                Yeah my worst fear, bedroom DJ’s now a days… and the fact that the speakers will probably be older then me scares me a little too… lol.
                                And no i dont bother with pirate radios that much, when i can be arsed i tune in with my pc (live stream).

                                #1252666
                                General Lighting
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                                  livestreams audio is rubbish (they sacrifice a lot for the video, when you get your new speakers you will notice this).

                                  ironically todays generation are liable to be using equipment with limiters/protectors what stops them blasting their project studio speakers. which is fine, until they get to play on a proper rig and piss off the crew by redlining everything and worse this mindset contaminates the whole industry. Biotech once bought (from a reputable source) a WAV tune so badly clipped both me and cheeseweasel read the waveform “upside down”or thought it was one mono file and the colours reversed.

                                  A lot of my bedroom DJ/producer friends were using very basic equipment and with not much money. Often a set of speakers got caned and the cabinet was kept but replaced with various locally sourced drivers. As word got out that “I knew how to use soldering iron/screwdriver” as well as the new computer stuff, I often got the job of fixing these (being paid in a variety of commodities 😉 ). I admit I didn’t bother with stuff like thiele small parameter or other hard maths – me or my mates would find drivers what fitted the hole left by the old ones and put them in. If the speakers sounded OK the job was a success. I am sure I was not the only person to do this, and so second hand speakers may not be what they seem.

                                  This is a low cost package of brand new kit from a company which had a good reputation in the 90s/2000s, but you need a store near you to get it and it seems today customer service can be variable in the stores (used to be OK when I went there but that was years ago)

                                  #1252670
                                  p0ly
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                                    how old are you OP?

                                    #1252677
                                    YoungOne
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                                      @p0ly 477071 wrote:

                                      how old are you OP?

                                      Old enough 😉

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