I saw a British “movie” a bit like it not long ago

It’s called “Rise of the footsoldier” it’s about football and drugs

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It’s a bit like the movie you describe here,but it’s a true movie

Scared the hell out of me :crazy:

I’ve always noticed portrayal of firearms and violence in hollywood movies is IMO completely unrealistic (ditto the use of technology), ironic when your country allows people to routinely keep and use guns!

However British films used to be grittier but they are following the negative influecnes of hollywood (overdone lighting, glamourising crime and violence more)

i think ive seen that film its just called green st over here. hasnt it got elijah wood in it? His brother in the film has to do the shittest and most comedy cockny accent i think ive ever heard. the actors english as well. proper wierd. pretty much everything he said had me in stitches! thought it was an english film as well? total shit. Rise of the foot soldier is a quality film tho.

I’ve spoken to quite a few (ex) firm members (from the 80’s – 90’s) and if what they say is true – it was like the film rise of the foot soldier,
and extremely violent times, as far as I’m aware – what GL says with better police intellegence etc it has calmed down alot but in my mind it wasnt / isnt to do with the football game it was / is angry young / middle aged men using it as an excuse to beat seven shades of shit out of each other,

Around 14 – 15 years ago my sisters (now ex) got his face slashed on her doorstep
A chelsea smile – so named after footie hoolaganism slashings that were common with a stanley knife to the face (tried to find a picture but can’t for those who dont know the term – like the joker in Batman)

he was a chelsea boy but this was more personal and ended up with hugley violent things happening (‘gangland’ style) and we live in suburbia !!
there was alot of rivalry between 2 large housing estates where we live and lots of boys being ‘gangsters’, and rival families ‘sorting their business’, this however has been going on since my parents were young here, and I’m sure is still continuing to this day – and is just another example of angry people resorting to violence and using any excuse they can to do it….

nothing wrong with a pint and a fight

the lads I was refering to were in their late 20’s early 30’s so not what I’d call youngsters, but violence to them was normal, it was usual to see someone bottled or fighting on a night out

people with these extreme violent behaviours – by the time they are in their 40’s usually are either dead, in prison or probation (which may or maynot curb their behaviour when actual consequences are put in to place)
or leave the more ‘organised crime’ aspect and resort to battering their wives and kids, and continue to be violent (maybe less physically due to their age but still emotionally and verbally)
in a few cases they actually deal with themselves and the root cause of their anger and some just ‘burn out’

football holliganism isnt about footbal, it is about power and making yourself feel better by taking it out on someone else, and often spills out in to the wider community like domestic violence, petty fights down the pub etc

not excusing this behaviour (at all) – these people often have very low self esteem usually are themselves damaged and therefore act the ‘big man’ and have this as a front, therefore taking the ‘easy option’ by carrying this on rather than facing the fact that they need to do some work to change- then their kids grow up in this atmosphere whitnessing this behaviour and it is ‘normal’ to them and so continues the cycle
some people I have met who have been violent have also used it as a defence mechanism – having a reputaion stops people starting on you etc,
but the down side is you then have to live up to this reputation and it can then make it very difficult to change..

@Dasein 239109 wrote:

For whatever reason, I’d have never guessed that drugs were involved in firm activity…naive, maybe, but the connection just wasn’t there mentally. The way the whole thing is represented here is just that these guys either get worked up over the actual games and riot (which is the only time we ever hear the term ‘hooligans’ in that sense) or over turf and reputation with football as the excuse or rallying point or however you’d like to phrase it, in the case of firms. And that’s definitely the representation in Green Street Hooligans. In fact, it doesn’t seem like there’s a single drug reference in the movie, though there’s plenty of drinking, which made sense. In the film, it’s solely about reputation and then naturally, vendetta.

Where did you get the Info about that there was drugs involved? I mean, sure, im sure alot take coke aswell as drink, but I don’t think that’s the main reason for their violence.

Its also not a matter of just get worked up during a game, because fights are sometimes organised (From what I know, not from what Ive seen in films). And these get organised before anyone is tanked up on anything. Not to mention most people in firms are banned from games anyway :you_crazy

I think TG is right in her analysis, and I also think that in their vulnerable state, being in a group can make up for their low self esteem, and make them feel “belonging” to a group, and feeling worthy to be there. They then up that self-esteem more by up keeping their ignorant principles and loyalties and delude themselves into thinking they are good, strong people for it.

this happened because of a football-related argument in the same county me and Biotech live in, and in a supposedly “sleepy village!”

@Daesin – cops here normally carry no firearms, so the fact the specialist armed unit had to be deployed makes the incident more serious..

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