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    Davetherave
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      hi, ive got a peavey 2600 amp and want to know is it ok to connect three scoops at 8ohm’s on one channel and 2 flares at 8ohm’s on the other channel ??

      can anyone help cheers.

      #1194414
      Clang
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        Wouldn’t recommend it.

        If my maths is correct (?) 3 * 8ohms = 2ohms which most amps don’t especially like (although it might be fine if you think your amp can handle it).

        Also: putting bass on one side and mid/top on the other is never going to please an amp (and will sound pretty poor too). You should try to match everything up IMO and keep the stereo system working in stereo. And I haven’t even started talking about crossovers yet either!

        Unless you are talking about scoop bins and flare bins, in which case you want to put a scoop and a flare on each side (and leave the other scoop at home for a spare). This should work much better as both sides of the amp will be dealing with the same load (4ohms) which will sound better, look better and last longer.

        Hope this helps 😉

        #1194413
        elretardo87
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          Sorry TT you are misinformed.

          Firstly 3 x 8ohm drivers gives a 2.66ohm load if wired in parallel.

          Secondly there is no longer any problem with plugging in different things on each channel. It is perfectly acceptable to use one for bass and another for mid and is in fact quite common.

          I would usually make sure that I match the impedance, i.e have both channels at 4ohms but some amps don’t actually need this. I’d check the manual for the peavey but if its an older 2600 it’ll probably be fine (although they sound bad they were built like tanks). The new ones I would check the manual though.

          #1194417
          Davetherave
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            it was my mate wanted to run 3 bins and 2 flares off of one amp. i think what im guna do to b safe is get some more amps.

            #1194415
            Clang
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              Nice one Retardo,

              I guessed there would be a hypergeek out there somewhere to put me right 😉

              Lack of experience got me in the end :weee:

              #1194421
              pixiegirl
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                heehee this thread makes less sense to me than dear old Garry.

                #1194416
                noname
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                  3x8ohm drivers wired paralell gives a 2.6ohm load – or near enough as makes no odds – the actual load fluctuates with frequency across the RLC complex number plane (because the impedance/admittance and capacitance/inductance all affect each other in an AC system – which is essentially what a speaker system is)…

                  We use a basic guide (which is what the ohm rating on your speaker is for) to let us match up speakers with amps and not drop the load so far that we stress the components and end up breaking them, so for all intents and purposes you would view the 2.6ohm load as a 2ohm…

                  Many amplifiers today give ratings for power at 2ohm, and claim to be safe operating to that low – personally I’m a little sceptical – for many reasons – from the fact that the nature of this basic guide to the impedance means that the amp is actually operating to impedances far lower than 2 ohms – especially when it’s running bass (the lower the frequency, the lower the impedance), to the fact that the components used exhibit unwanted characteristics when running that low (things like the beta-droop effect the transistors are prone to when running that low), to the fact that all of the components are going to be operating at the threshold of their TDP… All unnecessary chances to be taking IMO, but it’s up to you…

                  As for running different speaker combinations off the 2 channels of an amp – not necessarily problematic – the 2 channels of a stereo amp are actually completely independent except for the power supply to each channel (an amps power supply tends to be a single unit due to the size of the transformer required to supply high powered amps – it’s very rare for them to have independent supplies)… As long as you’re not operating too close to the threshold of the power supply you shouldn’t have any problem (meaning it would be prudent to take one of the speakers from the channel with 3 on it – that way it would be operating at 4ohms, and should be well within the power supply’s capability)… If you’re running high’s on one side and low’s on the other the impedance is going to be totally mis-matched anyway (because impedance changes with frequency), so I wouldn’t worry too much about that… The only other question I would ask is why you want to do this? Unless the system you’re building is mono, I can’t see any good reason to set it up like this?

                  #1194420
                  DaftFader
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                    pixiegirl;311897 wrote:
                    heehee this thread makes less sense to me than dear old Garry.

                    And how about this one …?

                    http://www.partyvibe.com/forums/computers-gadgets-technology/35840-fao-gary-denke.html#post311937

                    :laugh_at:

                    #1194422
                    pixiegirl
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                      DaftFader;311938 wrote:

                      Efil boy. :yakk:

                      #1194410
                      General Lighting
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                        Davetherave;311861 wrote:
                        it was my mate wanted to run 3 bins and 2 flares off of one amp. i think what im guna do to b safe is get some more amps.

                        Thats the best idea – otherwise with the amp what has 3 bins it will either overload or you would have to wire the speakers in a complex and confusing way to keep the impedance safe.

                        I don’t like the idea of running amps at 2 ohm, even if it says you “can” – for the reasons noname says. In the same way its not a good idea to ride your moped flat out all the time, nor even run at full pelt from Stow to Great Blakenham even if you are fit enough to do so!

                        Bear in mind your DJ’s might be slowly creeping up the level, and you may not have all your limiters/compressors set correct. I think this is why with a lot of EA rigs the stack (or parts of it) actually cut out at peaks….

                        But there is loads of sound equipment around in this area, TBH you probably must know some of the same people I do and I expect you would be able to borrow some kit from somewhere…

                        Did you manage to get to Ipswich last weekend btw?

                        #1194418
                        Davetherave
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                          cheers. yeah i did, was a good nite. was you there ??

                          #1194411
                          General Lighting
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                            Davetherave;312065 wrote:
                            cheers. yeah i did, was a good nite. was you there ??

                            yep – was a very impressive stack (some of the kit had to be sent back as there simply wasn’t enough space!)

                            Good to see everyone again but I was a bit on edge as a few rum things happened (like some good friends of mine getting their stuff robbed from behind what should have been a secure area. Maybe I’m just a bit more sensitive about this sort of thing, especially being a bit older and wanting raves to still be as fun and hassle free as they were in this area just a few years ago…

                            #1194419
                            Davetherave
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                              yeah sure was. i know bout half hour after starting they blew the c subs.

                              really, was it behind the decks ?? i know some guy who had the green laser pen had that stole off him by some guy.

                              #1194412
                              General Lighting
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                                Davetherave;312168 wrote:
                                yeah sure was. i know bout half hour after starting they blew the c subs.

                                hmm I did wonder why the stack didn’t have as much bass as I thought. A tip for when you get your own rig together – make sure whoever is in charge of the controls keeps their snout out of the ketamine until its all been set up correctly and limiters put in place

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                                really, was it behind the decks ?? i know some guy who had the green laser pen had that stole off him by some guy.

                                yeah unfortunately some idiots did manage to get in – shame really as it was otherwise a good party. Maybe its better to have smaller crowds where people all know one another as stuff like this is much less likely to happen..

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