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    chutneyjoe
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      Hi All!

      This is gonna sound stupid as ever but reading online i’ve gotten confuddled over complicated people talking what seems alien to me about wiring up multiple amps to a mixer. Could anyone please help and speak in 2 year old english to my question of: if i want to run two speakers off 1 amp and 2 subs of another how do i EASILY wire both the amps into a mixer, i’ve read about crossovers but get confused as to which to get and so on.

      Been doing a few small private parties in my area lately and building things up but got to start somewhere and any advice will be much appreciated 🙂

      PLUR.

      Peace

      #1257646
      Tank Girl
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        Sorry I cant help you = totally lost when it comes to techie stuff

        but they’res loads of peeps on here that should be able to help you out when they next post,

        best wishes!!

        #1257651
        chutneyjoe
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          Ah thats ok, i’m sure the cavalry will arrive to save the day 🙂

          #1257641
          General Lighting
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            you connect the mixer to a device what filters this low level audio output into the low (sub) and other frequencies. this provides filtered low level outputs which connect to the relevant input of each amp and then the speakers.

            Behringer do a low cost graphic EQ which has a subwoofer output. if you can hold on until tomorrow I will have a closer look at the one I’ve got. this might make it way easier if you are just starting out than buying a complex crossover unit.

            #1257652
            chutneyjoe
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              Ah yes mate i can hold on til tomorrow, cheers for the reply

              #1257642
              General Lighting
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                the one I have is a Behringer FBQ1502. if you look it up on their website the whole manual can be downloaded. I haven’t used the sub output myself as its in a home studio and I’ve already got enough sound in it but it seems to be just right for your configuration.

                Although Behringer kit isn’t seen as the most robust I’d suggest putting it in a decent flightcase and treating it as gently as it can be, as when your crew has “grown out” of this and wants something else in the way of crossovers you can use it for your home setup…

                #1257647
                MadPsy
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                  I think you meant the CX2310 / CX3400 GL (yours is an EQ?). And yes behringer isn’t the best but it is cheap to replace if it breaks. The other end of the scale is something like an XTA digital crossover. (If you’re interested this will do the trick:
                  XTA CROSSOVER SPEAKER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM DP 224 | eBay

                  But that’ll probably go for 500 odd quid. Best start off with some cheaper kit and work your way up 🙂 See..

                  Behringer SUPER-X PRO CX3400 | DV247

                  Some amps have built in switchable xovers but don’t go there, just spend the £80 and get a real one. Wiring diagrams are included in the manual.

                  #1257643
                  General Lighting
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                    What I’ve got is definitely an EQ (which is why I got it) but has a subwoofer output.

                    its on the back, prominently marked as such. I haven’t tried it myself but it is definitely there. I’ve not seen an EQ with one before either, but it doesn’t seem like that daft an idea for smaller rigs.

                    Crossover Not Required
                    Speaking of special low-frequency tools, all three FBQ-PRO models feature a dedicated subwoofer output with an adjustable (30 – 200 Hz) cut-off frequency. Balanced XLR Outs are provided so you can connect to power amps, or directly to your active subwoofers, without any additional hardware—just another example of how BEHRINGER saves you money.

                    #1257648
                    MadPsy
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                      Nifty! But how do you hook up the highs? Unless its switchable then the master out will be giving full range, which sort of defeats the purpose.

                      #1257644
                      General Lighting
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                        on mine there’s EQ sliders for 20,40, 63 100 and 150 Hz so if you were using the sub out (which I don’t as it would mean another amp and I’ve got everything and this computer on one cheap UPS) you could use the EQ to attenuate these low frequencies as you wished… the configuration would most likely be to use a sub to provide a bit of extra bass to other “full range” loudspeakers which lacked the 20-100 Hz range – basically a static version of what many folk might have in their car…

                        my own setup is a very quick and dirty lashup of 2 x JBL control 1s and below them the CPC “Norfolk kiddy rig” “PA” speakers with the harsh piezos disconnected but the passive crossover left in, both connected to a Sony Hi Fi receiver. It certainly isn’t “top range pro audio” but I’m in a room of about 15 m^2 and works and sounds better than you would think.

                        #1257649
                        MadPsy
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                          You’ll find if you attenuate the low frequencies nothing will come out of the sub output (unless sub out is pass-through). Like you say it’s most likely use is to bolster a full range set. In which case it’s not really a cross over 🙂

                          WRT to your set-up I’m sure that would be bouncing enough in a house!

                          #1257645
                          General Lighting
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                            @MadPsy 494578 wrote:

                            You’ll find if you attenuate the low frequencies nothing will come out of the sub output (unless sub out is pass-through). Like you say it’s most likely use is to bolster a full range set. In which case it’s not really a cross over 🙂

                            I haven’t tried it but it does appear to be a completely separate output with an adjustable low pass filter (it wouldn’t make sense for it to be anything else). From chutneyjoes description it sounds much more like what he already has is a full range set of speakers and some other subs – he lives in the same region as me (albeit at the other end more towards London) and most newer crews start off in this way.

                            #1257650
                            MadPsy
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                              I get what you’re saying but really, for the same price, he’s as well getting a real crossover although without knowing what speaker cabs he’s got its hard to recommend anything. If the EQ is going to give out a pass-thru sub output then you’re as well using an amp with a LPF built in (such as most peavey). There is no difference between the EQ giving out sub frequencies to the amp and an amp only passing low frequencies by means of a built in a LPF.

                              Mr chutneyjoe – give us an equipment list (not everything, just amps & speakers cabs).

                              #1257653
                              chutneyjoe
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                                @MadPsy 494580 wrote:

                                Mr chutneyjoe – give us an equipment list (not everything, just amps & speakers cabs).

                                Hi guys sorry i’ve been up in the land of the scots for a little while and haven’t had interweb.

                                As for the equipment list i’ve got an IMG Stageline STA 500

                                IMG Stage Line :: IMG Stage Line STA-500 Power Amplifier ONLY £105.37

                                Which is powering 2 Wharefdale Pro SVP-X15 speakers

                                SVP-X15 – SVP-X SERIES – Wharfedale Pro

                                I know it’s just a start but I’m not great on the knowledge. We have been gathering a crew but with 3 of us, and only 2 of us working money is tight, but slowly and surely with the right advice and right approach we can get bigger. Been doing private parties with around 15-20 people but hoping to expand when we gather a following and more equipment.

                                And suggestions to speakers, bass bins/subs would be greatly appreciated, if only to add a little bass to our set up at the moment.

                                Just mixing on a gemini PS626i, and have 2 gemini CDJ 202 cd decks, managed to pick up the 2 decks and mixer for £100 at the start of the year, so it’s something to get started on.

                                Good little light set up, using UV cannons and rope light for atmospherics! 🙂

                                Peace X 🙂

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