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October 4, 2011 at 7:51 pm #1051649
harrow!
i need to edit the system feedback post title!
lakota have had there liciense suspended, and were moving to the black swan,
need to put “Update” in the post title
much love
October 4, 2011 at 7:59 pm #1245519should be done now. Had to alter title slightly as there is a limit on the amount of characters in a subject line.If you add another post to the thread explaining this (and perhaps directions to the Black Swan) it should make things clearer.
As I have never ventured West of Swindon either sober or during daylight hours I am not the best person to advise where to find things in Bristol, it all becomes a bit of a blur past the M32 and that big long flyover thing…
October 4, 2011 at 8:00 pm #1245526cheers mucker!
much love
October 4, 2011 at 8:03 pm #1245524@Minghead 453394 wrote:
lakota have had there liciense suspended…
Really?? Any idea why/how long for?
October 4, 2011 at 8:11 pm #1245527theres been an overdose, and most recently a proppa kick in, ( i wont mention the night names )its been suspended untill mid november, hopefully theyll get it back, love lakota! been going there for many many years! its like home from home!
its just a shame, nothing to do with anyone in particular just an unfortuante sequence of events & the council has wanted em gone for years
October 4, 2011 at 8:34 pm #1245525@Minghead 453402 wrote:
theres been an overdose, and most recently a proppa kick in, ( i wont mention the night names )its been suspended untill mid november, hopefully theyll get it back, love lakota! been going there for many many years! its like home from home!
its just a shame, nothing to do with anyone in particular just an unfortuante sequence of events & the council has wanted em gone for years
Fair enough, just hope its not the start of a trend.
October 5, 2011 at 12:29 pm #1245520@cheeseweasel 453408 wrote:
Fair enough, just hope its not the start of a trend.
to be fair we can’t blame the Council for taking such action. The wider community (not just music fans) pay taxes to a Council so they and their family can have a safe environment. If people young are getting hurt or losing their lives as a consequence of the “night time economy” then the Council and other authorities have every right to close down venues, and/or discourage them from holding events with certain kinds of music.
They have in fact been doing this all the time with townie clubs and pubs – if they can’t close them permanently they push up the prices of licensing and put in harsher security/CCTV/id scanes/bouncers its just that the sheeple in many towns and cities are prepared to put up with it rather than stay in, and security and bar staff in townie venues have much more of a habit of cooperating with authorities and informing on suspected and actual criminal than underground ones so these venues stay in business.
Exactly the same thing happened in East Anglia in recent years but only after there were shootings and repeated incidents of violence including at underground venues. There was a time such venues and even illegal raves were left alone beause they caused less incidents than townie venues – but this is no longer the case. Both scenes are as bad as one another for drugs use and violence. So increasingly its not the fault of the “system” nowadays, its the fault of the punters for taking too many drugs in the wrong settings, or bringing their personal disputes to a social event – and other people have to pick up the pieces.
Where I work a few of our nurses are originaly trained at hospitals in the West of England or SE England.
These are young, intelligent, ambitious Englishwomen who have had liberal, tolerant upbringings and they are left wing in their political views, Even though they now work for a small private healthcare organisation they value the NHS (whom we work with closely anyway). I’ve been chatting to them and in many cases they have made the journey East to look after elderly people at the end of their lives as even though all the patients die at the end they find it far less depressing than working on the ED of a modern general hospital, seeing people their own age end up in the wards and also with chronic (long term) irreversible medical conditions (both physical and mental health) through their own greed, stupidity or stubbornness. Many of them now would rather do a extra weekend shift than go clubbing of partying, and they look down on people who do so and/or take excessive amounts of drugs as they’ve seen the consequences.
Some of these young ladies will stay with my company, others might go back to the NHS after a few years. And often they might become the people on the DAAT (Drugs and Alcohol Action Team) working with the Police and deciding whether a venue is creating a safe envirornment to party in and gets to keep its license.
October 5, 2011 at 1:22 pm #1245528yeah you are right, however in bristol its very political check this..
black swan – a fight happens OUTSIDE the pub in the middle of the road by people who have not even been in the pub – looses license for 18 months!
motion – man drowns in the lake – looses licience for 4 days
Lakota – well thats ongoing
syndicate & oceana – continuas fights and running street battles – never lost liciense!
its mental!
October 5, 2011 at 1:33 pm #1245521yep some townie clubs here don’t lose their licenses and they should but they just pay up their high fees to the feds, they don’t argue about rules or show any dissent and they cough up info on who the dealers, fighters and and wannabe gangsters are.
In return the feds and councils CCTV protect them and their bouncers and their bar staff and managers from being stalked to their homes and even hurt or killed and/or the club being burned out (as happens in some cities) for essentially being grasses / plastic policemen. Eventually though the cost of doing this will outweigh the revenue the townie clubs bring to the city and they get closed down too.
They re-opened the main club in my town but its only allowed to host (rather bizzarely) tribute bands, 16 year old students bands and if it opens after 24:00 there are enough bouncers on the door to keep Libya in order even though half the punters are teenagers. And I’d still only give it a few months before someone is hurt there.
its only in the late 1980s that late opening nightclubs were tolerad in the UK and the current Government is planning to push up their license fees even higher (automatic premium for opening after midnight), and make it a lot more difficult for night time venues to open late unless they have harder controls. People may blame Blair and Brown for a lot of things but in the early days and better economic times Blair was up for people partying. (its not even true that he did this to distract from Middle Eastern war but the other way round – he took a gamble on going to war to protect our hedonistic lifestyles).
October 6, 2011 at 8:41 am #1245529yeah blair was up for us boogying that is true!
hopefully this is all a flash in the pan, and lakota will re-open, we shall see, when the decision gets made in nov ill update the board
October 6, 2011 at 9:57 am #1245522the Licensing Act remains the same as in Blairs day. Though the Tories threaten to change it (and a lot of other things) they tend to stall when they realise doing these things costs money, and that night time venues are usually also private enterprises which by and large do pay their taxes as Blair wasn’t a complete muppet either. he beefed up HMRC’s surveillance and investigatory skills to ensure they did.. however it is also linked to Human Rights Act and the Councils do have to give the venue management a fair chance to sort out things.
What did for Ipswich’s venues wasn’t even management failings as much but the people attending them choosing to bring personal/regional disputes and even illegal weapons to their social events and use them as a battle ground. No civilised community anywhere in Europe can tolerate that.
its as much up to the punters to behave as it is venue management to nanny them – sadly I’ve found from experience underground venues tend to get locked off simply because small groups of people take the piss.
October 6, 2011 at 10:27 am #1245530yeah that is true, ive found the bum & face scene very clicky in bristol, however ive never expericanced trouble at a techno night in bristol,
and weve never had any major issues at any of the parties free or not that weve done in the last 15 years of doing em, well maybe the fire on nye, but we dont know what caused that!
October 6, 2011 at 10:58 am #1245523The problems here are very recent. Though the music at EA parties (barring that of Biotech) may have been on the cheesy side, until the mid Noughties they genuinely were are friendly and fluffy as all those silly things like stacking and hand holding made them out to be and it was like that until the end of 2007.
it wasn’t the “babylon” what fucked it all up though, I learned from some older heads that parties here were tolerated since the late 1980s and it was only in the mid 2000s people started taking both the licensed and free events for granted, and being greedy with the drugs, and then losing it with one another.
This also happened in Reading and was partly a reason I left (although being offered a good job here was another).
I stopped going out in 2009 as people I knew and considered friends were falling out with each other over stupid things and blatantly overdoing both booze and drugs, and even before the Carribean club got shot up by the urban music crowd there were people fighting at the otherwise friendly rave events.
As an older person with a bit of life experience society quite rightly demands I live with some morals and integrity and set a good example and as such I find it hard to criticise the authorities and elected Councillors in my town for merely keeping people safe. (I’m on friendly terms with one of our local Councillors who was on the Licensing committee and he did a lot to try and keep the Carribean club open even after the shootings..)
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