Had another visit from a man collecting information for 'National Statistics'

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November 29, 2007 at 12:48 am #1125394
JonnyQuest
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elretardo87 wrote:

I don’t open the door unless I’m expecting someone or a parcel.

If they persist I just shout at them to fuck off and hassle someone else. Its not just that I don’t like people coming into my house unless I trust them its more that I can’tr be arsed gettin dressed.

i often find myself waking up on the sofa to a loud knock or the doorbell and i completly agree clothes are a massive hassel
November 29, 2007 at 12:48 am #1146325
JonnyQuest
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elretardo87 wrote:

I don’t open the door unless I’m expecting someone or a parcel.

If they persist I just shout at them to fuck off and hassle someone else. Its not just that I don’t like people coming into my house unless I trust them its more that I can’tr be arsed gettin dressed.

i often find myself waking up on the sofa to a loud knock or the doorbell and i completly agree clothes are a massive hassel
November 29, 2007 at 8:40 am #1125388
cathdreadhead
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JonnyQuest wrote:

i often find myself waking up on the sofa to a loud knock or the doorbell and i completly agree clothes are a massive hassel

lol!
November 29, 2007 at 8:40 am #1146319
cathdreadhead
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JonnyQuest wrote:

i often find myself waking up on the sofa to a loud knock or the doorbell and i completly agree clothes are a massive hassel

lol!
December 2, 2007 at 8:04 pm #1125383
Asdf
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I had someone ask stuff like this before, I just said that I do not officially exist. Not much they can say to that tbh.
December 2, 2007 at 8:04 pm #1146314
Asdf
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I had someone ask stuff like this before, I just said that I do not officially exist. Not much they can say to that tbh.
December 3, 2007 at 12:39 am #1125377
globalloon
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General Lighting wrote:

if other govt departments followed the ONS procedures and systems there wouldn’t be so much stuff being lost (much of this is due to part-privatisation of services, and the use of insecure transfer methods)

I’ve seen an ONS workers laptop in action, they actually do use a custom designed application which generates what looks like a random data file rather than bog-standard Microsoft or Oracle applications – if the machine got lost it would be a non trivial job to decode it (and they don’t store the names and addresses on the same machines) – nearly all govt depts had custom systems (usually built in house) like this until fairly recently, but many have moved to MS/Oracle as part of various outsourcing deals (this is the source of most of the leaks/insecurities in public sector IT)

this is probably what the survey is about

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/about/surveys/default.asp

but if you tell them you won’t fill it in because you are concerned about the risk of data loss, then they have to feed back that response to the survey managers 😉

talky talky talk talk talk

or….. shutty door door
December 3, 2007 at 12:39 am #1146308
globalloon
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General Lighting wrote:

if other govt departments followed the ONS procedures and systems there wouldn’t be so much stuff being lost (much of this is due to part-privatisation of services, and the use of insecure transfer methods)

I’ve seen an ONS workers laptop in action, they actually do use a custom designed application which generates what looks like a random data file rather than bog-standard Microsoft or Oracle applications – if the machine got lost it would be a non trivial job to decode it (and they don’t store the names and addresses on the same machines) – nearly all govt depts had custom systems (usually built in house) like this until fairly recently, but many have moved to MS/Oracle as part of various outsourcing deals (this is the source of most of the leaks/insecurities in public sector IT)

this is probably what the survey is about

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/about/surveys/default.asp

but if you tell them you won’t fill it in because you are concerned about the risk of data loss, then they have to feed back that response to the survey managers 😉

talky talky talk talk talk

or….. shutty door door
December 3, 2007 at 3:31 pm #1125379
elretardo87
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globalloon wrote:

talky talky talk talk talk

or….. shutty door door

I think thats why statistics are so screwed up.

Only a complete wierdo actually talks to them.
December 3, 2007 at 3:31 pm #1146310
elretardo87
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globalloon wrote:

talky talky talk talk talk

or….. shutty door door

I think thats why statistics are so screwed up.

Only a complete wierdo actually talks to them.
December 3, 2007 at 3:41 pm #1125375
General Lighting
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elretardo87 wrote:

I think thats why statistics are so screwed up.

Only a complete wierdo actually talks to them.

or old people, and those people who just want to whinge about the government/society and think the ONS person (as a servant of that government) can “make their voice heard” …

its a bit worrying if the statistics are actually used to influence any government policy

That said I expect ONS observers are used to having people refuse, same as other cold callers and are trained to just move on to the next building, and will keep doing so for as long as the govt encourages this form of survey.

I think though if enough people actually complained about the small surveys and refused to complete them (they depend on the goodwill of citizens which has been lost thanks to govt incompetence), they could eventually get stopped.

the surveys must be expensive to carry out and budgets are always being slashed, so if they don’t deliver any decent results why spend taxpayers money on them?

The only compulsory survey in this country is the Census..
December 3, 2007 at 3:41 pm #1146306
General Lighting
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elretardo87 wrote:

I think thats why statistics are so screwed up.

Only a complete wierdo actually talks to them.

or old people, and those people who just want to whinge about the government/society and think the ONS person (as a servant of that government) can “make their voice heard” …

its a bit worrying if the statistics are actually used to influence any government policy

That said I expect ONS observers are used to having people refuse, same as other cold callers and are trained to just move on to the next building, and will keep doing so for as long as the govt encourages this form of survey.

I think though if enough people actually complained about the small surveys and refused to complete them (they depend on the goodwill of citizens which has been lost thanks to govt incompetence), they could eventually get stopped.

the surveys must be expensive to carry out and budgets are always being slashed, so if they don’t deliver any decent results why spend taxpayers money on them?

The only compulsory survey in this country is the Census..
December 3, 2007 at 6:50 pm #1125381
Raj
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elretardo87 wrote:

I think thats why statistics are so screwed up.

Only a complete wierdo actually talks to them.

:groucho: I speak to them – I am taking part in a study right now [halfway through the study and I have been doing it for 6 years already] What are you saying about me? :laugh_at: :laugh_at::laugh_at:

If we never speak to them how will our point of view be represented? if at all…?
December 3, 2007 at 6:50 pm #1146312
Raj
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elretardo87 wrote:

I think thats why statistics are so screwed up.

Only a complete wierdo actually talks to them.

:groucho: I speak to them – I am taking part in a study right now [halfway through the study and I have been doing it for 6 years already] What are you saying about me? :laugh_at: :laugh_at::laugh_at:

If we never speak to them how will our point of view be represented? if at all…?
December 10, 2007 at 1:36 pm #1125389
cathdreadhead
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hmmm…the national government statistics were at it again last night…got a knock on the door about 8pm (sunday) anyway me bf said we were about to eat our tea so no they cant come in…they came back an hour later! they rang the doorbell about 6 times and proper belted on the door I actually thought they were gonna break in!! I thought this is getting a bit weird cos this is like 10pm sunday night! Why are they coming round doing surveys at this time? Am getting a bit freaked out now gonna ring the company or whoever is doing this to tell them not to come round again cos I feel like am being harrassed.
December 10, 2007 at 1:36 pm #1146320
cathdreadhead
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hmmm…the national government statistics were at it again last night…got a knock on the door about 8pm (sunday) anyway me bf said we were about to eat our tea so no they cant come in…they came back an hour later! they rang the doorbell about 6 times and proper belted on the door I actually thought they were gonna break in!! I thought this is getting a bit weird cos this is like 10pm sunday night! Why are they coming round doing surveys at this time? Am getting a bit freaked out now gonna ring the company or whoever is doing this to tell them not to come round again cos I feel like am being harrassed.
December 10, 2007 at 1:49 pm #1125380
process
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cathdreadhead wrote:

hmmm…the national government statistics were at it again last night…got a knock on the door about 8pm (sunday) anyway me bf said we were about to eat our tea so no they cant come in…they came back an hour later! they rang the doorbell about 6 times and proper belted on the door I actually thought they were gonna break in!! I thought this is getting a bit weird cos this is like 10pm sunday night! Why are they coming round doing surveys at this time? Am getting a bit freaked out now gonna ring the company or whoever is doing this to tell them not to come round again cos I feel like am being harrassed.

Ive had some guy come round to my house before saying he was from the dogs trust, had the yellow bib on, we dont use our front door tho, so when he knocked i just opened the window, while it seemed he was trying my front door handle! He made up some shit about dogs trust do i want to donate i said no tar. He then said come on save a dogs life then tried next doors door handle, then he did one. I watched him go down the road trying every other door. Now im pretty sure charity groups go round in groups so they can cover more area. Anyway long story short im not a fan of the police, but i felt like i better tell them, just in case he battered some old lady or something. It does sound a bit dodge if they are being that persistant. Ring the number if it is dodge pour a bottle of piss out the window next time!
December 10, 2007 at 1:49 pm #1146311
process
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cathdreadhead wrote:

hmmm…the national government statistics were at it again last night…got a knock on the door about 8pm (sunday) anyway me bf said we were about to eat our tea so no they cant come in…they came back an hour later! they rang the doorbell about 6 times and proper belted on the door I actually thought they were gonna break in!! I thought this is getting a bit weird cos this is like 10pm sunday night! Why are they coming round doing surveys at this time? Am getting a bit freaked out now gonna ring the company or whoever is doing this to tell them not to come round again cos I feel like am being harrassed.

Ive had some guy come round to my house before saying he was from the dogs trust, had the yellow bib on, we dont use our front door tho, so when he knocked i just opened the window, while it seemed he was trying my front door handle! He made up some shit about dogs trust do i want to donate i said no tar. He then said come on save a dogs life then tried next doors door handle, then he did one. I watched him go down the road trying every other door. Now im pretty sure charity groups go round in groups so they can cover more area. Anyway long story short im not a fan of the police, but i felt like i better tell them, just in case he battered some old lady or something. It does sound a bit dodge if they are being that persistant. Ring the number if it is dodge pour a bottle of piss out the window next time!
December 10, 2007 at 2:05 pm #1125390
cathdreadhead
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[ Ring the number if it is dodge pour a bottle of piss out the window next time!haha! think I will be!:wink:
December 10, 2007 at 2:05 pm #1146321
cathdreadhead
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[ Ring the number if it is dodge pour a bottle of piss out the window next time!haha! think I will be!:wink:
December 10, 2007 at 5:08 pm #1125382
Raj
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If you are really concerned about the guy get him to show you his ID and give you a central number[landlines only] you can ring to verify who he is [this will scare off the fakes] and then you can register your disgruntlement at headquarters too 😉
December 10, 2007 at 5:08 pm #1146313
Raj
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If you are really concerned about the guy get him to show you his ID and give you a central number[landlines only] you can ring to verify who he is [this will scare off the fakes] and then you can register your disgruntlement at headquarters too 😉
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