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    General Lighting
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      an update – there was still noise on the toshiba laptop (which I am planning to use for streaming and metering) – it even got into the behringer mixer in built sound card (which is otherwise good quality for the price)

      another thought I had is most of the computers are on the “red” mains feed (via a UPS) whilst the audio kit is on the “blue” feed (normal UK Power Networks supply via surge protector) so another opportunity for yet another filter to pick up noise/RF etc..

      however on a random trip to Asda I found a “universal laptop PSU” at half price – with only 2 pin europlug! swapped the original Tosh PSU for this – all the PSU noise gone raaaa, as there is now no way it can contaminate the mains ground via the PSU….

      #1245924
      General Lighting
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        final issue sorted – the “blue” power was getting a spike from the gas boiler and thermostats, these things arc across the contacts, and the boiler has a device to deliberately create a high voltage arc (and thus light up the gas). A spark contains radio frequencies (they were once used for transmitting but this was abandoned due to interference), and the mains filters and protective earth in the boiler radiate all this back into the wiring.

        So now the sound equipment too is on the “red” power. I was concerned at first whether the UPS would handle two computers (a small desktop and a laptop) and all the audio kit but modern stuff doesn’t use that much power. I can even turn the mains off at the incomer and the tunes still stay on (well for about 20 minutes maybe before the batteries run down).

        Thinking that it wouldn’t take too many more batteries and solar panels to put all the AV kit off grid 😉 – clean sound and better for the environment..

        #1245942
        Pat McDonald
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          What a REALLY good thread. Solid investigation and patient tinkering.

          Reckon everybody concerned deserves a medal. Good job I wasn’t here, probably would have sent you up the garden path with my fucked up improvisational approach! 🙂

          #1245925
          General Lighting
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            Since then I always refer to the transformer as a “Cheeseweasel special” to distinguish it from many others CPC sell for double the price which I am sure are the same thing or lesser quality components.

            A-1095 – UNBRANDED – GROUND LOOP ISOLATOR. | CPC

            They do sell proper Neutrik audio transformers for way cheaper than I thought they would be but unless you are sending your audio down private or national analogue telephone lines these are probably overkill…

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