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  • June 7, 2011 at 10:25 pm #1051069
    DaftFader
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      I understand the theory to this but the actual process of doing it is beyond me. I’ve been trying with a kick i have and a sub bassline I made and because of the dynamics of a kick drum it eveidently is only in phaze for a little bit with the bass and then goes out (or visa versa). I’ve tried nudging it and changing the pitch of the kick but doing this only gets me so far.

      Any one know how to do this properly? (I’m assuming it depends on the bass/kick etc. but anything to point me in the right direction is a +

      Ta

      June 8, 2011 at 7:20 pm #1240528
      cheeseweasel
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        I usually sidechain the kick and sub-bass so that the sub is ‘ducked’ when the kick hits. Put a comp on the sub and set the sidechain to be your kick track. Every time there’s a kick, the sub will fade out and come back in again. This way you don’t get the muddying sound of two sub-basses going at the same time.

        June 8, 2011 at 7:28 pm #1240529
        cheeseweasel
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          And if you’re getting phase cancellation between the kick and the sub, i.e. you’re losing part of the sound when they both play, you could try inverting the phase of one of them (dunno what sequencer you’re using but it’s often a button on EQ/gain plugins that looks like a O with a diagonal line through it). Or nudge the kick forward a few samples until it sounds alright. Or pitch-shift the kick a little bit. Failing that, use a different sound.

          June 8, 2011 at 8:32 pm #1240531
          DaftFader
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            I have Tried reversing phaze but that doesn’t work with what I’m doing. Side chaining i’m not sure is an option as it’s a drum and bass track I’m working on. I need the bass to hit like a slab at the same time the kick goes off. I know the top D+B producers actualy make their beats/sub to be in phaze so they can get the most bang for their buck, i just can’t figure out how to do it properly. 🙁

            The subs between 40-80 Hz and the kick around 125Hz ideally and they should pretty much be resting on each other. If they aren’t in phaze it weakens the drop and side chaining seems to also weaken it. Mby i’m doing something wrong side chaining tho.

            >>>Spelling and punctuation corrected by Finbar!!<<<

            June 8, 2011 at 9:35 pm #1240530
            cheeseweasel
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              How does this ‘phasiness’ actually sound? Do certain frequencies disappear when the kick and the bass play at the same time?

              Is your bassline all done on one instrument, or do you have a separate sub layered underneath a higher bass synth? This is generally what I do – the sub bass might be just a pure sine wave with a bit of distortion on it, and the main body of the bass sound is a more complex sound with everything below about 120Hz filtered off. If you sidechain just the sub part of the bass with the kick, it shouldn’t noticeably affect the rest of the bassline or weaken it. Choose a really fast attack and release on the compressor, so the sub snaps straight back after the kick.

              I get what you mean about it maybe not being suitable for dnb though, where the kick usually doesn’t have much sub to it and it sits on top of the sub-bassline. Does your kick actually have more sub to it than you think? U tried high-passing the kick to filter off any sub frequencies that might be lurking there?

              Sorry if I’m teaching you to suck eggs btw.

              June 9, 2011 at 12:04 am #1240532
              DaftFader
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                I guess you could say some frequencies are not there, yeah.

                I’m not getting phaziness as such, just i know it’s the fact that the kick isn’t in phaze that’s making it and the sub loose power as slight nudging will give it a bit more umph but the whole kick isn’t in phaze so it only helps a little to what I’m after. What I think I need to do is make a kick that is in tune with the sub perfectly (a prety flat, dynamicaly speaking, thuddy sub.) but am not sure how i would go about doing it so it phazes with the sub.

                I split my bass to sub and main bass and high pass the kick and low pass the sub. It’s not so much that it’s noticably making it sound worce as it sound better combined … it’s more that it doesn’t sound (as good) as i want it to; It weakens the drop from what I’m aiming for but still adds to it as it is, if you understand what i mean.

                June 10, 2011 at 10:02 am #1240533
                DaftFader
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                  Not sure i explained very well.

                  I’ve heard that getting the bass and kick “to resonate with each other” and to “get them in phaze” is very important in making drum and bass sub base lines really pound. But everything i’ve tried hasn’t worked … I’ve got ideas as what i might have to do as i’ve said above but tbh i’m not sure if it’s correct as the people i heard say these things didn’t go into any real detail about what they ment.

                  (was a bit drunk when i was posting b4)

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