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October 25, 2005 at 7:38 pm #1036878
this site will be 8 years old soon, it pre-dates google by a year and has become one of the widest known underground rave sites
we get people reading here from every corner of the world – ravers, the media government workers and just the normal public trying to find out info or to work out what this “rave scene” is all about
of course because of the wide audience (not all of whom is pro-rave) and the sad fact that many nations still continue to fight the war of drugs prohibition, there are some times people need to be careful what they say or how they say it so they do not incriminate themselves or others
and unlicensed parties are becoming harder to hold in some nations
but there’s still plenty of things that can be discussed on a wider lifestyle scope related to this scene.. would like to hear from as many people as possible on here (even the lurkers) about how they think it should go…. or is this site just fine as it is?
maybe a lot of people here are quite happy just to dip in now and then to the calendar to find out whats going down in their region…if so then its fair enough… but do some people want more out of this place (or the rave scene in total?) more advice on how to put on their own events? more DIY art stuff etc?
feel free to comment – we won’t accuse people of being “law enforcement” or “government conspiracy agents” as that rarely happens (and we have ways of identifying if people are not who they claim to be 😉 )
October 25, 2005 at 7:52 pm #1067495i personally love this site and probably visit it more than any other site
if anything was going to change, i guess i might like to see something like an online magazine… in a recent thread someone mentioned setting up an underground magazine
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i would like somethinglike to focus on the reality of running parties (legal and technical challenges), but including the fun side (reviews from party-goers), as opposed to similar magazines (of a mixmag style) which are quite focussed on the celebrity and music aspect)
but then the forums do that to some extent already
i feel guilty now, as i know i’m crap at donating articles… current grand total is 0 :shy:
how about ‘pic of the day / week’?
October 25, 2005 at 7:59 pm #1067491globalloon wrote:i personally love this site and probably visit it more than any other siteif anything was going to change, i guess i might like to see something like an online magazine… in a recent thread someone mentioned setting up an underground magazine
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i would like somethinglike to focus on the reality of running parties (legal and technical challenges), but including the fun side (reviews from party-goers), as opposed to similar magazines (of a mixmag style) which are quite focussed on the celebrity and music aspect)
but then the forums do that to some extent already
i feel guilty now, as i know i’m crap at donating articles… current grand total is 0 :shy:
how about ‘pic of the day / week’?
the gallery software will do this but has to put the code in somewhere…
reviews of unlicensed events are now dodgy due to PEL issues – although t theres a time limit after which you can’t be done and I’ve thought of doing reviews from 03/04 seasons but if crews are still active you still risk mentioning a street name or something that could be tied up with another piece of intelligence. cops are actually using the “anti-gangster” surveillance on unlicensed raves nowadays…
so what we need is more reviews of the legit events on the calendar – like the legal Storm party at the Coven for instance, or Fushions new event….. (this is picking ones in my manor of course but theres users worldwide who could contribute…)
of course if they dont’ comre from the same registered names as the promoters its better as it doesn’t look like dubious spin…
October 25, 2005 at 8:07 pm #1067496something edited could remove locations and names to protect the innocent
October 25, 2005 at 8:15 pm #1067492globalloon wrote:something edited could remove locations and names to protect the innocentI’ve thought of that but it makes the review look like a draft annual report from the security services. also although I don’t believe in bragging it was a good morale booster for the crews to see their names on the web.
About 8 years ago when the board wasn’t used as much and before we all had broadband I used to carry a (rather bulky!) laptop to squats and all kinds of unlikely places (including a hippy treehouse in South Oxfordshire!) and download the original UK free parties reviews to show to the squatters who made the things happen (using a mobile or metres of cable connected to the nearest fixed line)
this is the original reviews site (NB: many broken links as this is very old and hasn’t been updated for years!)
http://www.partyvibe.com/freeparties/index2.html
then again I suppose if we did some reviews and filled them with bits like “**** had their new rig and **** played a wicked set” it could be a way of showing how far things have gone towards limiting freedom…
October 25, 2005 at 8:41 pm #1067497General Lighting wrote:then again I suppose if we did some reviews and filled them with bits like “**** had their new rig and **** played a wicked set” it could be a way of showing how far things have gone towards limiting freedom…i saw it more like “we chose this site because…” “we had to do this to the site to prepare” “it was good / bad because” “we used this system / equipment because”
but it would have to be anon
shittily
October 26, 2005 at 12:45 pm #1067498The direction of this site seems to be fine by me except the open public advertising of unlicensed parties. Public advertising of unlicensed events has always been in conflict with the Public Entertainment Licensing law but it is only recently that the authorities have been forward in pursuing it. We made hay while the sun shone but if the dinos cant get to grips with the change they will be stamped on and may set a mass extinction and not what some may hope as a thinning out, so others may prosper by the cull.
I don’t see a problem with reviews after the event if the party was private but they may beg to differ but when the new amendments come all might be different again because they are at some point going to test the Law and how we have behaved as a scene may reflect on everyone and even if you have kept within the law, those that haven’t may bring it on everyone.
October 26, 2005 at 7:17 pm #1067494The UK’s rave scene has certainly undergone some changes and some heavy pressure over the last year. In particular the use of Public Entertainment legislation. There are still various legal actions in progress and the final result to one other case has been large fines (although all equipment was finally returned) Over the course of the last year a large number of rigs have been confiscated
Undoubtedly many of us will continue to look for opportunities to do licensed events as well as carrying on doing small private parties for our friends around the country. In my experience the adversity frequently makes rigs determined to carry on! Many of the rigs that were taken have built new systems.
I think it may unfortunately be the case that the last few years will have been the last of the good multi-rig raves in the South/South East.
On the positive side there has been a successful return to smaller, more intimate parties that have been allowed to continue.
The scene has sensibly enough returned to a slightly more ‘underground’ approach. The internet has a far broader reach now and the level of publicity it can generate isn’t always good for parties.
I’m sure Partyvibe can continue much as it is. There are plenty of ‘overground’ aspects of free party culture that won’t lead to legal charges!!
And let’s face it, we need somewhere saner than Squatjuice!! :mkay:
October 26, 2005 at 9:52 pm #1067499On the positive side there has been a successful return to smaller, more intimate parties that have been allowed to continue.
I dont think that this is going to be the case TBH, they dont want this kind of freedom or lack of control and if the message is read as do a small party you will be alright, they will spring up everywhere and they are not going to like that, if they close one down people will go to another and they are not going to like that even more. they are not going to tolerate small ones, they might at first and to be sure some people will welcome this for different reasons some comendable some not. TBH I dont care if I am allowed to have small parties, In fact I dont find that prospect very cheery at all ungrateful sod that I am for any crumbs that my’lord throws my way but thats me. 😉
October 26, 2005 at 10:33 pm #1067493elraveon wrote:I dont think that this is going to be the case TBH, they dont want this kind of freedom or lack of control and if the message is read as do a small party you will be alright, they will spring up everywhere and they are not going to like that, if they close one down people will go to another and they are not going to like that even more.i think its perhaps worth a bit of clarification
clearly it would be a Very Bad Idea for assorted moosers, even with a single rig or smaller crowds to just take over sundry wooded clearings, “public” commons and the like that they may find in their locality as inviting as it may seem. its already been done before (TBH this is exactly what brought some Thames Valley areas on top as “new rigs” just took over likely spots in their locality without exploring them properly!) Although in some cases it can work (you really do need to know the area inside out though) its way too easy to underestimate how powerful even a small rig can be and piss off wealthy middle England types.
Nowadays even in remote semi-rural areas there are vanloads of cops on standby every weekend to deal with the “anti-social behaviour”, “hoodies” or just drunkenness at vilage pubs! al these cops can all be diverted to deal with a rave now at short notice even if they are in a different division (or force) and all those vans carry TSG kit (riot kit). The Home Office did not spend millions on those new radios without expecting some payback, unlike most public sector IT projects Airwave comms kit actually works and its certainly sharpened up the cops’ logistics a bit over the last couple of years….
Cops are now also discouraged from “passing the hot potato” into another division or force area (which led to a people getting away with a few raves over the years).
They are expected to team up with their colleagues and “deal robustly” with the situation, and we all know what this usually means 🙁
However – in some areas of the UK there are semi-autonomous communities which are quite remote , in which a rave could easily happen. These are areas where the locals tolerate and welcome the event, it is held with permission of those legitimately occupying the land and where due to terrain the sound does not travel into neighbouring communities.
In this case there are no laws broken as no distress is caused and due to the remoteness its easily classed as a private event ; a non-raving member of the public simply would not stumble across some of these venues by chance unless they had got hopelessly lost (and folllowed the noise to seek help and/or hospitality).
even so, if people overdo things and cause traffic disruption or anti-social behaviour in other surrounding areas the people there may contact the authorities which would lead to problems
furthermore, these sorts of venues are rarely found in the congested SE of the UK!
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