http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1H9W_iLff0

@thelog 499243 wrote:

Well as I say I am a vinyl junkie but am saying there have been situations where I have had to use what is available to me. BTW Chrispy are you gonna get resident evil 6?

Yup, got it! It’s pretty good though nowhere near as scary as you would expect. More of an action shooter really.

@p0ly 499245 wrote:

How can you cheat at playing songs?

😛

There are SO many ways. Pre-mixed CDs (produced on Ableton or whatever) so you can just stand there getting a BJ or whatever while pretending you’re mixing. Pre-set loops so you never have to worry about the track running out. Auto BPM. The beauty of vinyl is (apart from bashing out some LP dubplates) it’s pretty hard to fake it.

I went from vinyl straight to digital (bypassing CD’s etc) but I can see why people prefer vinyl. I also still like analogue tape and nearly bought a Revox B77 on a whim except i would have had to convince one of my staff to help me pick it up from Beccles and it might even have put the floorboards through with the weight. Plus a spool of tape which is only enough to record 1 hour mix at 39cm/s is €30 😥

However the new features are good. not sure if I see them as cheating any more than riding an e-bike instead of a pushbike is cheating, or having power steering or new engine management systems on your motor car is cheating.

yes there are fake performances but thats more because the pressure on performers for more high profile events is intense. however with thousands of people willing to monitor, scrutinise and judge them, an understandable feeling that they should be judged like any other professional to do their job correctly, and CCTV in venues as well as photographers and videomakers who are also tech aware I don’t think its that easy even with the electronic stuff to fake it at the top and the truth will eventually out.

A lot of the “nostalgia” is really more for other things like there actually being more paying careers in the music industry, the atmosphere of record shops (at least for the “in crowd” and music having more power in the arts during a time when even the feds and politicians were naïve to its darker sides such as being funded by drugs money and an undercurrent of sexual predation of ambitious young people.

Todays music scene is much fairer, more accessible, more democratic and has less negative impact on the environment and wider society, even if its no longer going to increasingly become a hobby activity instead of an industry (which means that stuff like being able to use its new tools like computers for other tasks is a good thing). It has merely evolved so it can survive the economic depression and political and social changes worldwide.

@Chrispydelic 499255 wrote:

Well, yeah. Sorry, I thought that went without saying.

Good luck mixing 4 decks like that.

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@MC G-Tek 499330 wrote:

Ratty, and Carl Cox in his hardcore days, and a few others used to do this on 3 decks dude (1210 mk II’s obviously). If you’re really skilled at the art, it’s something to make you stand out from the crowd I guess. Never tried my hand at mixing, but have massive respect for those who still do it the old skool way.

I remember them doing it as well 🙂

I did consider buying decks when I got back into mixing but space is still a problem and a lot of genres have stopped releasing tracks on vinyl anyway, so folk increasing are using the timecode vinyls and a computer anyway. Many genres especially trance had already gone to CDs by the mid 2000s… but especially in big venues I don’t think cheat DJ’s regularly playing fake performances will get away with it for too long in any specialist dance music crowd there is too much competition and too many eyes watching.

There were always plenty of chancers and shysters in townie clubs as it is playing unmixed tunes/prerecorded mixes (there were even vinyl tunes made like this or longer than average so the DJ can have a break) and also a lot of folk who can actually beatmix and play underground genres but who play crappy pop dance so as to keep a paid residency in a townie type club.

In my town for instance even playing eurodance too much is discouraged as it gets the cops checking if folk are taking pills in the venue – bear in mind many club managers are in their 20s too, shit scared of losing their “dream job” as well but also enjoy the power over others so they transfer their fear into arrogance when the cops or council shake them up a bit and hosting nights with real underground music is often seen as too much work for them. Hence why there are so many crap DJ’s and crap nights outside of a few inner city areas where the local economy is dependent more on night-life.

Strange thing is so-called “zero tolerance” actually sorts out who is genuinely into music and who is just going out to pose or show off….

in the 1980s I managed to briefly borrow from school a Philips N4308 and a Ferrograph series 7 (these machines having been abandoned in favour of cassettes) and do proper old skool mix tapes…

even back then I genuinely wanted to work in radio or the rest of the yoof” media playing emerging forms of electronic music and UK produced pop, (not so I could smoke cigars and groom young girls)

shame that the same tech what makes it accessible wiped out the paying career path or I’d probably have stayed in SE England and be helping you lot set up studios..