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December 29, 2007 at 4:02 pm #1147706Elisha wrote:No, Jeff was not hurt. The film made it look like he was, but it is not so. The camera pans over to look at Jeff, but in reality, Jeff almost always sits with his head in his hands during extended meetings. Most people came away from the film thinking Jeff had just found out about the incident while it was being filmed – but this was not the case. Jeff had complete knowledge and gave consent/divorce almost a year before the BBC did that particular interview. Jeff discuses the spin doctor’s dale about this event in a statement here.
When you heard the phone conversation with Jeff at the end, you could hear the voice of a broken man. The comments he made, it was chilling to listen to. A man who admitted that after October the 31st he no longer had anything, he burnt all his bridges with the outside world. This man has been destroyed.
Documentary’s can bend the truth so i am not going to bother with the other comments, but this one?
Elisha wrote:What Michael carried out was the work of a physician to the soul. Doctors deal with naked patients all the time and it is not considered a crime. Michael was administering a type of medical treatment to the soul of a young lady who had been sexually abused by a relative years perviously. This was the purpose of the event. The whole world is full of men and women who have been abused by others. Michael has been given the work to bring, at long last, healing to their souls.Yes doctors do treat naked patients, but never in my life have i been asked to strip naked and lay on a bed with my doctor for a treatment? :you_crazy That is just some man trying to get sexual satisfaction from a young girl.
Basically your a cult? Do you have to give Michael all your possessions when you join him? He seemed to control you, its no different to all these other cults you hear of in America. Ok you don’t seem to have any hate for blacks, gays or other things like that, in fact peaceful.
How can you devote your lives to some insane man, who is claiming to be a messiah. Fuck me if i tried to do that i would be sectioned for being a fruit loop.
December 29, 2007 at 5:33 pm #1126761Quote:When you heard the phone conversation with Jeff at the end, you could hear the voice of a broken man. The comments he made, it was chilling to listen to. A man who admitted that after October the 31st he no longer had anything, he burnt all his bridges with the outside world. This man has been destroyed.If you knew Jeff, you would know that what you are saying is not true. He virtually runs the web site we have up. He is very connected to the movement and his dad. You can listen to his version of the “final phone call” at this link in which he describes his perspective and why it sounded as it did. Friend, you could believe me, or you could believe your imagination of what you think is true.
Quote:Basically your a cult? Do you have to give Michael all your possessions when you join him?No, we don’t give everything to Michael in the way it is portrayed. We have willingly, voluntarily pooled our resources into one fund, on which we all are supported. Michael does not own a single thing here, and that means nothing.
Quote:He seemed to control you, its no different to all these other cults you hear of in America.If you knew how little “control” he has over us, you would be amazed. Your governments control you a million times more than Michael does us.
Quote:How can you devote your lives to some insane man, who is claiming to be a messiah.Sure, you watched a film trashing him in a very planned manner; it is not hard for me to understand why you would say what you say. On the other hand, I have observed the man for almost twenty years, and have never seen an ounce of insanity in him. I know the difference between the sane and the insane. These things have been presented in this manner to test the root spirit of a man’s heart.
December 29, 2007 at 5:33 pm #1147719Quote:When you heard the phone conversation with Jeff at the end, you could hear the voice of a broken man. The comments he made, it was chilling to listen to. A man who admitted that after October the 31st he no longer had anything, he burnt all his bridges with the outside world. This man has been destroyed.If you knew Jeff, you would know that what you are saying is not true. He virtually runs the web site we have up. He is very connected to the movement and his dad. You can listen to his version of the “final phone call” at this link in which he describes his perspective and why it sounded as it did. Friend, you could believe me, or you could believe your imagination of what you think is true.
Quote:Basically your a cult? Do you have to give Michael all your possessions when you join him?No, we don’t give everything to Michael in the way it is portrayed. We have willingly, voluntarily pooled our resources into one fund, on which we all are supported. Michael does not own a single thing here, and that means nothing.
Quote:He seemed to control you, its no different to all these other cults you hear of in America.If you knew how little “control” he has over us, you would be amazed. Your governments control you a million times more than Michael does us.
Quote:How can you devote your lives to some insane man, who is claiming to be a messiah.Sure, you watched a film trashing him in a very planned manner; it is not hard for me to understand why you would say what you say. On the other hand, I have observed the man for almost twenty years, and have never seen an ounce of insanity in him. I know the difference between the sane and the insane. These things have been presented in this manner to test the root spirit of a man’s heart.
December 29, 2007 at 7:17 pm #1126757Elisha wrote:Sure, you watched a film trashing him in a very planned manner; it is not hard for me to understand why you would say what you say. On the other hand, I have observed the man for almost twenty years, and have never seen an ounce of insanity in him. I know the difference between the sane and the insane. These things have been presented in this manner to test the root spirit of a man’s heart.your a mug , choke
December 29, 2007 at 7:17 pm #1147715Elisha wrote:Sure, you watched a film trashing him in a very planned manner; it is not hard for me to understand why you would say what you say. On the other hand, I have observed the man for almost twenty years, and have never seen an ounce of insanity in him. I know the difference between the sane and the insane. These things have been presented in this manner to test the root spirit of a man’s heart.your a mug , choke
December 29, 2007 at 7:23 pm #1126741Personally, I think your all mad, with a screw loose somewhere, theres more to life dear!
I find it fascinating how you stand up for what youve been told to beleive with such aplom
Take a bow
Rock on God raaa :you_crazy :crazy:
December 29, 2007 at 7:23 pm #1147699Personally, I think your all mad, with a screw loose somewhere, theres more to life dear!
I find it fascinating how you stand up for what youve been told to beleive with such aplom
Take a bow
Rock on God raaa :you_crazy :crazy:
December 29, 2007 at 7:36 pm #1126756You should join my cult, You’d have a better time, none of this end of the world bullshit or evil kiddyfiddling.
In my cult we party all the time and if you want to see god try my special Mandy K and yayo mix that’ll have you soon chatting with the old deity!
And the best part is its free! (Minus gear monies!)December 29, 2007 at 7:36 pm #1147714You should join my cult, You’d have a better time, none of this end of the world bullshit or evil kiddyfiddling.
In my cult we party all the time and if you want to see god try my special Mandy K and yayo mix that’ll have you soon chatting with the old deity!
And the best part is its free! (Minus gear monies!)December 29, 2007 at 7:48 pm #1126749NUT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!all i gota say!:you_crazy
December 29, 2007 at 7:48 pm #1147707NUT JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!all i gota say!:you_crazy
December 29, 2007 at 9:25 pm #1126723Anonymous
globalloon wrote:the world DID end 31st October 2007what we’re doing now is living in the apocalypse
har
Here here, its the start of the apocalypse its down hill from here folks!!raaa
December 29, 2007 at 9:25 pm #1147681globalloon wrote:the world DID end 31st October 2007what we’re doing now is living in the apocalypse
har
Here here, its the start of the apocalypse its down hill from here folks!!raaa
December 29, 2007 at 10:47 pm #1126730errr whoops …..elisha….i thought you had found god….as a way out of your hangups and troubles…not this …this is brainwashing ….he wants hanging…:crazy_dru
December 29, 2007 at 10:47 pm #1147689errr whoops …..elisha….i thought you had found god….as a way out of your hangups and troubles…not this …this is brainwashing ….he wants hanging…:crazy_dru
December 31, 2007 at 3:52 am #1126758starlaugh wrote:All reminds me of that Simpson’s episode when Homer joins a cult and the work on a Lima Bean farm :laugh_at:NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA LEADER!!! :laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:
December 31, 2007 at 3:52 am #1147716starlaugh wrote:All reminds me of that Simpson’s episode when Homer joins a cult and the work on a Lima Bean farm :laugh_at:NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA LEADER!!! :laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:
December 31, 2007 at 11:38 am #1126738WTF? looks ive missed a lot since ive been away. I cant belive someone has come on here to argue thier case.. how do you reason with the brainwashed or mentally insane? its impossible. Ive tried argueing a point with an alcoholic before, same difference. you’ve got no chance.
December 31, 2007 at 11:38 am #1147696WTF? looks ive missed a lot since ive been away. I cant belive someone has come on here to argue thier case.. how do you reason with the brainwashed or mentally insane? its impossible. Ive tried argueing a point with an alcoholic before, same difference. you’ve got no chance.
December 31, 2007 at 5:35 pm #1126762djprocess wrote:WTF? looks ive missed a lot since ive been away. I cant belive someone has come on here to argue thier case.. how do you reason with the brainwashed or mentally insane? its impossible.Yes, I fully understand what you are saying DJ. I’ve been on numerous forums in the last couple weeks. No matter how many times I say that we did not predict the world to end, the brainwashed people cannot believe me. No matter how many times I say nothing immoral or illegal happened here, they refuse to listen. It is as if they have their ears plugged and are not even listening. No matter how many times I say that the return of Christ has already taken place, they resort to the years of pre-programing from their pastors, which tells them a man in the sky will whisk them off to a petting zoo in the heavens where they can all gorge themselves 24/7 at an all you can eat smorgasbord.
Surely DJ it can seem frustrating.
Terry
“There is nothing new in the world, except the history you do not know.” Harry TrumanDecember 31, 2007 at 5:35 pm #1147720djprocess wrote:WTF? looks ive missed a lot since ive been away. I cant belive someone has come on here to argue thier case.. how do you reason with the brainwashed or mentally insane? its impossible.Yes, I fully understand what you are saying DJ. I’ve been on numerous forums in the last couple weeks. No matter how many times I say that we did not predict the world to end, the brainwashed people cannot believe me. No matter how many times I say nothing immoral or illegal happened here, they refuse to listen. It is as if they have their ears plugged and are not even listening. No matter how many times I say that the return of Christ has already taken place, they resort to the years of pre-programing from their pastors, which tells them a man in the sky will whisk them off to a petting zoo in the heavens where they can all gorge themselves 24/7 at an all you can eat smorgasbord.
Surely DJ it can seem frustrating.
Terry
“There is nothing new in the world, except the history you do not know.” Harry TrumanDecember 31, 2007 at 5:38 pm #1126724Elisha wrote:Hello Folks,I dropped in to discuss the contents of the “End of the World Cult” film that was shown over the last couple of weeks in the UK. I am one of the “brainwashed” people who live in NM at the settlement which some people call Strong City. I actually thought the people in the UK were more aware of how the media is used like a tool to achieve a particular end. Yes, the power of propaganda is an awesome thing to watch. What you saw and have commented on was not a documentary, but a fraudumentary. The film was more fiction than fact. It was very similar to the propaganda used to sway the common man before the Iraq war. In other words, skewing the facts to promote a lie.
The first lie I’d like to address was that no one from Strong City ever said the world was going to end on Oct. 31 or on Dec. 15. The narrator made that up. Watch it again and see if I’m right. Secondly, no one at Strong City ever said, desired, or planned to die. We are planning (still) to leave this sorry earth of oppressors and deceivers. The third lie was the suggestion that Michael had relations with his “daughter-in-law”. Jeff and his wife purposely divorced before the event occurred between Michael and his former daughter in law. The fourth lie was that of Michael wanting to have his way with some virgins . The purpose for the “virgins” was to pour out the plagues on the earth. I could give you a list of 30 or 40 deceptions which were presented in the film.
The film did serve a purpose though. 2000 years ago Christ came to the earth, was misrepresented, tried and crucified. A couple weeks ago, Christ came to your world, was misrepresented, abused and was killed (character assassination). It came to pass in this manner for all men to judge the Christ that God has sent. Those who know God saw His Son, those who don’t saw their own perversions imposed on someone else.
I’m gona play devils advocate here! I didnt see the documentry but I know how the media can turn things and manipulate storys. I’ve had it done to me in the past, you dont think at the time then when the story breaks you realise what the jurnos have done.
The guy Michel sounds abit of a power mad guy and the cult/commune sounds abit unhealthy but this is no diffrent to some hippy communes and squater communes.
If you read the apocalyptic parts of the bible where I take it this Michel and his followers draw there faith what the bible says certainly is comeing true at the moment. So people should prepair themselves for some monumental changes to the world and soceity in general. I dont take the bible litraly though I beleve in Jeasus as a preacher and freedom fighter of his time.There are certainly big changes on the way but its not the hand of god its nature, human error and greed.
Like I say I never saw the documentry just my 2ps worth.
December 31, 2007 at 5:38 pm #1147682Elisha wrote:Hello Folks,I dropped in to discuss the contents of the “End of the World Cult” film that was shown over the last couple of weeks in the UK. I am one of the “brainwashed” people who live in NM at the settlement which some people call Strong City. I actually thought the people in the UK were more aware of how the media is used like a tool to achieve a particular end. Yes, the power of propaganda is an awesome thing to watch. What you saw and have commented on was not a documentary, but a fraudumentary. The film was more fiction than fact. It was very similar to the propaganda used to sway the common man before the Iraq war. In other words, skewing the facts to promote a lie.
The first lie I’d like to address was that no one from Strong City ever said the world was going to end on Oct. 31 or on Dec. 15. The narrator made that up. Watch it again and see if I’m right. Secondly, no one at Strong City ever said, desired, or planned to die. We are planning (still) to leave this sorry earth of oppressors and deceivers. The third lie was the suggestion that Michael had relations with his “daughter-in-law”. Jeff and his wife purposely divorced before the event occurred between Michael and his former daughter in law. The fourth lie was that of Michael wanting to have his way with some virgins . The purpose for the “virgins” was to pour out the plagues on the earth. I could give you a list of 30 or 40 deceptions which were presented in the film.
The film did serve a purpose though. 2000 years ago Christ came to the earth, was misrepresented, tried and crucified. A couple weeks ago, Christ came to your world, was misrepresented, abused and was killed (character assassination). It came to pass in this manner for all men to judge the Christ that God has sent. Those who know God saw His Son, those who don’t saw their own perversions imposed on someone else.
I’m gona play devils advocate here! I didnt see the documentry but I know how the media can turn things and manipulate storys. I’ve had it done to me in the past, you dont think at the time then when the story breaks you realise what the jurnos have done.
The guy Michel sounds abit of a power mad guy and the cult/commune sounds abit unhealthy but this is no diffrent to some hippy communes and squater communes.
If you read the apocalyptic parts of the bible where I take it this Michel and his followers draw there faith what the bible says certainly is comeing true at the moment. So people should prepair themselves for some monumental changes to the world and soceity in general. I dont take the bible litraly though I beleve in Jeasus as a preacher and freedom fighter of his time.There are certainly big changes on the way but its not the hand of god its nature, human error and greed.
Like I say I never saw the documentry just my 2ps worth.
December 31, 2007 at 5:54 pm #1126763Quote:The guy Michel sounds abit of a power mad guy and the cult/commune sounds abit unhealthy but this is no diffrent to some hippy communes and squater communes.Hi Mr. AHC,
If you had a bit more to go by then what has been said here, or what you have imagined, you may not put things as you have. I’ve known the guy for almost 20 years, and power hungry does not at all fit in the picture. Also, if you were to come here to visit, as the FBI and State Police have done, you may exclaim as they did; that if all communities were as this one, the world would be a better, more livable place.
December 31, 2007 at 5:54 pm #1147721Quote:The guy Michel sounds abit of a power mad guy and the cult/commune sounds abit unhealthy but this is no diffrent to some hippy communes and squater communes.Hi Mr. AHC,
If you had a bit more to go by then what has been said here, or what you have imagined, you may not put things as you have. I’ve known the guy for almost 20 years, and power hungry does not at all fit in the picture. Also, if you were to come here to visit, as the FBI and State Police have done, you may exclaim as they did; that if all communities were as this one, the world would be a better, more livable place.
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