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    thelog
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      I’m really starting to hate this rat.

      The mau5 is Dead Wrong, DJs Are Artists Too –

      Edit: Deadmau5 is a hater. Fair enough.
      As many of you may know, deadmau5 doesn’t like me. We had a prolonged Twitter argument over his rider and, most recently, over his claim that live performance of EDM boils down to “button pushing.” Last night, this little gem was posted on Tumblr. In it, Deadmau5 suggests that live performance of EDM is a simplistic, talentless task. I’m not sure where this little superiority complex came from. The idea is that producers are the ones with real talent, and DJs are just people who weren’t good enough to make their own music.
      Let me shut that down right now. Saying that DJs are not musicians because they don’t produce their own music is like saying that a painter is not an artist because he doesn’t make his own paint. That is ridiculous. The whole point of being a DJ is to arrange music into a complete performance so that people never have to stop dancing. Truly, the hour-long set is an art form that very few have mastered, and when they do, it’s beautiful. Imagine a long rollercoaster that slowly brings you up and keeps you just before the top until you can’t stand it any more before taking you to the peak and bringing you right back down. A DJ is an architect and a tour guide: they create their own little world that they are taking you through and helping you experience. To say that it’s not a performance art is an insult to the dozens of fantastic DJs that have been able to keep us entertained for hours on end by expressing their love of EDM in a way that words never could.
      Look Deadmau5, I’m sorry that you don’t understand the beauty of a DJ’s art form. I’m sorry you don’t “get it”, but that does not give you the right to say that it requires no talent. There is no reason for this arbitrary division between DJs and producers. Both types of skill are valuable. We have some doctors that do five minute office visits, and some that perform hours-long surgeries, and we need one just as much as the other. There is just as much musical beauty in a four minute floor-filler as an hour long masterpiece, and as one of the most talented musicians of our time, I thought you’d understand that.
      What you did was wrong. Not only did you completely trash something you simply don’t understand, you demeaned thousands of performers that have supported you throughout your career. Seriously, how dare you?
      The same logic that you used can be applied to producers: all you guys do is manipulate little pre-recorded sounds on your computers. You’re not real musicians, you’re just music nerds with expensive software and effects. Then during a live performance no one notices how bad you are at creating an experience longer than your usual four-minute song because you have pretty lights and everyone is on drugs. See how ridiculous, yet scarily real that sounds? That’s exactly what you just did to all the DJs of the world. You minimized their musical ability because it’s not the same as yours. And, funny enough, you admit the fact that you aren’t really doing anything other than pressing play when you’re performing live. If that’s true, why were you perfectly happy with accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in performance fees over the years?
      The truth is that deadmau5 has a bad taste in his mouth about live performances. Because, despite his status as one of the top EDM producers in the world, he has had a really rough year when it comes to high profile booking. First, he was snubbed by Ultra Music Festival, which triggered a twelve-minute Youtube rant. He was also mysteriously absent from the Electric Daisy Carnival, instead playing a gig in the UK on June 8th. It’s easy to understand why he would be sore about live shows.
      Whatever the reason, the fact is that there are important roles in EDM for both producers and DJs. Some artist can do both, and they take it to the next level. Notable examples like Armin Van Buuren, Tiesto, and Carl Cox put on a fantastic show because they not only have their own music to showcase, but by using their skills and knowledge as DJs, they show us how their work adds something to the body of music as a whole. The first time I saw Avicii live, I was disappointed. He opened with an extended vocal version of Levels, and the rest of the song selection just felt wrong. I didn’t feel right listening to the rest of his set. It was like when someone puts out after ten minutes on a date. When you say that being a DJ isn’t a performance art, you are ignoring the fact that sometimes timing and order of things is just as important as the content.
      There are enough people ready to criticize and belittle EDM musicians without you doing it yourselves. Whether it comes from a DJ or a producer, we should support anything that makes the music better. Because when it comes down to it, all we really have is each other.
      -The Snob

      #1268334
      Deez
      Participant

        DJing is an art. Heres why.

        DJing is a performance art.
        Therefore, DJs are performance artists.
        Therefore, DJs are artists.

        #1268324
        MC G-Tek
        Participant

          DeadRat is judging people by his own standards there – just because he’s not a proper DJ, there’s no need for the hateful cunt to tar everyone with his rabies-infested brush! Can someone just call Rentokil and have the prick dealt with please?

          Fuck it, if I ever have the misfortune to meet the cunt, I would just like to say, here and now, the first thing I’m gonna do is beat the fucking shit out of him! If anyone else wishes to do the same, please feel free to do it!

          #1268304
          thelog
          Participant

            It’s a real shame cos I have a Deadmou5 CD someone gave me and I really like it. (old album with “faxing berlin” etc) but now I’m reluctant to play it because of his arogance towards dance music. I have been reading other stuff that he has said but I don’t want to post it. Don’t want PV to become a DJ bashing forum for the day. Too much negativity : )

            Good Vibes!!

            #1268335
            Deez
            Participant

              Yeah.. he does have one song I like and I used to be a fan of his but he went really downhill.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPDSiL1nH0k

              #1268305
              thelog
              Participant

                Yeah that’s a nice tune, I love the bassline. I hate the vocal though

                #1268336
                Deez
                Participant

                  Yeah same it pisses me off. Especially when she starts fake orgasming and you have to turn it off/down before your neighbours think your watching the loudest porn ever. The bassline is sick though

                  #1268325
                  MC G-Tek
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                    @thelog 529906 wrote:

                    It’s a real shame cos I have a Deadmou5 CD someone gave me and I really like it. (old album with “faxing berlin” etc) but now I’m reluctant to play it because of his arogance towards dance music. I have been reading other stuff that he has said but I don’t want to post it. Don’t want PV to become a DJ bashing forum for the day. Too much negativity : )

                    Good Vibes!!

                    Don’t worry mate, this can’t be considered DJ bashing, at the very most it can be considered animal cruelty – but even the RSPCA would have no problem with us all sticking the boot in on Deadmong!

                    #1268337
                    Deez
                    Participant

                      Let’s put him in a K hole and abduct him.

                      #1268326
                      MC G-Tek
                      Participant

                        @DeezNuts 529914 wrote:

                        Let’s put him in a K hole and abduct him.

                        Yes mate! Let’s kidnap the cunt and force feed him all sorts of drugs – by the time he’s free, he’ll be a changed man!

                        #1268338
                        Deez
                        Participant

                          @MC G-Tek 529916 wrote:

                          Yes mate! Let’s kidnap the cunt and force feed him all sorts of drugs – by the time he’s free, he’ll be a changed man!

                          Until he hits the comedown. Then he’ll be even more of an asshole, if such a thing is possible.

                          #1268333
                          season.
                          Participant

                            I gotta say deadmau5 sounds like a fucking prick! He’s always wining about something on twitter, really annoys me. And that argument about “Molly” with Madonna was pathetic! Him being an electro artist you’d expect him to embrace club/rave culture. But NO he wines about it instead. + he turned about to be wrong about the whole thing loool…

                            + i completely believe DJ’s are artists

                            Definition: A person who practices any of the various creative arts.

                            Pretty sure Djing is a creative art, no?

                            #1268339
                            Deez
                            Participant

                              Exactly. He’s a yank anyway though..

                              #1268315
                              DaftFader
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                                If there were no DJs there’d be no one to play his music for him and he wouldn’t have the job he does now.

                                #1268327
                                MC G-Tek
                                Participant

                                  @DaftFader 529924 wrote:

                                  If there were no DJs there’d be no one to play his music for him and he wouldn’t have the job he does now.

                                  Yep, he knocks the drugs in the rave scene, but if the scene were a house, then drugs would be the cement that holds it together. If it weren’t for those drugs and the DJ’s he despises so much, he’d be working in the US equivalent of fucking Dixons!

                                  #1268340
                                  Deez
                                  Participant

                                    @MC G-Tek 529928 wrote:

                                    Yep, he knocks the drugs in the rave scene, but if the scene were a house, then drugs would be the cement that holds it together. If it weren’t for those drugs and the DJ’s he despises so much, he’d be working in the US equivalent of fucking Dixons!

                                    Nicely put mate. The drugs are the fuel for the rave fire. Without the drugs I doubt it would have been as succesful as it has been to be honest.

                                    #1268328
                                    MC G-Tek
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                                      @DeezNuts 529930 wrote:

                                      Nicely put mate. The drugs are the fuel for the rave fire. Without the drugs I doubt it would have been as succesful as it has been to be honest.

                                      Without a doubt mate! Admittedly there are a lot of us who love the music regardless, but there are also a significant number of ravers who will readily admit that they can’t listen to the music we love without being off their faces.

                                      What we need is the rave equivalent of the Pied Piper (a Pie-Eyed Piper maybe?), who will lead DeadRat to the water’s edge and then drown the prick!

                                      #1268323
                                      Chrispydelic
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                                        @MC G-Tek 529904 wrote:

                                        Fuck it, if I ever have the misfortune to meet the cunt, I would just like to say, here and now, the first thing I’m gonna do is beat the fucking shit out of him! If anyone else wishes to do the same, please feel free to do it!

                                        I’m guessing that’s why he wears the papier mache rat head, so people can’t recognise him on the street and do him some mischief!

                                        #1268306
                                        thelog
                                        Participant

                                          I say we form a group, The dead rat Vs PartyVibe collective, we could go to events and throw rotten fruit and veg at him.

                                          #1268307
                                          thelog
                                          Participant

                                            But seriously, he really needs knocking down a peg or two, his music isn’t that good.

                                            #1268301
                                            General Lighting
                                            Moderator

                                              @thelog 529949 wrote:

                                              I say we form a group, The dead rat Vs PartyVibe collective, we could go to events and throw rotten fruit and veg at him.

                                              would you not be just feeding a rat?

                                              #1268321
                                              Savvydravvy
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                                                @thelog 529908 wrote:

                                                Yeah that’s a nice tune, I love the bassline. I hate the vocal though

                                                the only deadmau5 song ive got in my collection, have exactly the same problem with.

                                                #1268330
                                                korno
                                                Participant

                                                  I’ve not read all the comments so just a thought, Can he be referring to laptop dj’s? or even Radio DJ’s? Which anybody can pretty much do…
                                                  Vinyl on the other hand…yeah there is a wide range of techniques that there is an ‘art’ to, so i’m baffled how anyone can say vinyl DJ’s aint artists!

                                                  #1268308
                                                  thelog
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                                                    @Savvydravvy 529955 wrote:

                                                    the only deadmau5 song ive got in my collection, have exactly the same problem with.

                                                    EeRRRGgggHH That vocal track is nasty. Reminds we of that fuckin Bodyrox featuring some nasty vocals- yeah yeah

                                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YeeVPEQhSs

                                                    Gawd back in 2000 and whenever this style of “electro” was big I was bashing my head against the wall at work where I was forced to endure radio one every day. “Todays same music….radio one”

                                                    #1268341
                                                    Deez
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                                                      @thelog 529963 wrote:

                                                      EeRRRGgggHH That vocal track is nasty. Reminds we of that fuckin Bodyrox featuring some nasty vocals- yeah yeah

                                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YeeVPEQhSs

                                                      Gawd back in 2000 and whenever this style of “electro” was big I was bashing my head against the wall at work where I was forced to endure radio one every day. “Todays same music….radio one”

                                                      I actually quite like that song :laugh_at:
                                                      cheers for the tune id btw.. never knew what that was.. 😉

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