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January 30, 2013 at 11:42 pm #1054977
Just caught a few mins of Trevor McDonald’s Death Row documentary. Made me feel physically sick if I’m honest.
Which has prompted me to ask what PV opinions are.
Personally I understand people’s desire to punish, although I don’t agree with it. I just can’t get on board with how it’s carried out by a state or country. I can understand an individual taking the life of someone that has carried out a heinous crime against those that they love. But a clinical, cold blooded murder which is preceded by a drawn out process with an inevitable and ultimate end in which a human is led and committed to death by other humans who have no connection to the crime, goes against everything inside me that I believe about human life. No matter how fucked up someone is I don’t believe that cold blooded killing is a fitting punishment to that. That leads on to question of whether revenge or punishment actually serve any purpose other than satisfying a flawed urge within us for ‘justice’, but that’s another debate.
That’s not to say I hold it against those that believe in it, within reason. So what are your thoughts?
January 30, 2013 at 11:46 pm #1266184Personally, I used to believe in it, but i also used to be racist because I was young and ignorant.
I think it’s disgusting that people are basically clinically murdered, but to be honest a life in prison is much worse then just having your life end, I know which i’d rather, thus it could potentially motivate people to do it as they know they won’t spend their life in a cell. It also doesn’t work as people aren’t deterred by it obviously and in some cases the wrong people are executed – what then? An innocent mother has lost her innocent son. Does the state get the death punishment for murdering someones innocent child?
I stand for justice whoever the people that suffer are, but the death penalty is not justice. It’s primitive and wrong (in my opinion).January 31, 2013 at 12:36 am #1266183Yeah that programme was spine chilling I thought. I think the death penalty is fundamentally wrong no matter what the circumstances. The more I started to think about things like this the more I started to question my beliefs on the judicial system, since a life sentence is almost just as bad as a death sentence essentially. When I was studying ethics someone said, imagine if someone murdered someone, you would say it was right for them to be punished, but what if the killer had a brain tumour which caused them to act this way, you wouldn’t blame them you would blame the tumour, and so the person wouldn’t really be responsible.
This got me thinking that really, anything anyone does is down to the way that their brain functions which is due to the way their brain is set up. And really, we have no control over the way our brain is set-up. We are born with certain chemical figurations in our brain and brought up in an environment which we also have no control over.
SORRY IM TOO STONED TO FINISH MY PHILOSOPHICAL RAMBLINGS BUT ONE DAY I WILL..
January 31, 2013 at 12:48 am #1266180I’m all for it. I would gladly be the executioner. Some certain people will re-offend again in the most brutal of crimes and cannot be rehabilitated. A lot of the time they even admit this themselves. It’s not about blame, it’s about keeping these people incarcerated pretty much indefinitely at a massive cost to the taxpayer. Maybe it’s not their fault but that isn’t the point.
I’m kinda into questionable things though like bioethics and one planet living (which requrires aiming to reduce the human population by a minimum of a third, the ensure (subject to global disasters, which WILL happen at some point, that’s a fact) the sustainability of the human race itself and to preserve biodiversity and necessary resources. But that’s just me. Call me a sociopath if you want but I can honestly say that if someone passed me a button that would randomly destroy 25% of the human race (it could be me, or a member of my family or literally anyone) I would’t hesitate to push it.
For the greater good. 😉
January 31, 2013 at 1:03 am #1266182In theory for certain types of crimes I agree with capital punishment………..
BUT
I could never support capital punishment in practice because I dont trust the police or legal system to always catch & convict the right person
January 31, 2013 at 1:36 am #1266175@Chrispydelic 521407 wrote:
I would gladly be the executioner.[/quote]
You would take someone’s life and be glad about it? Honest?
Quote:Some certain people will re-offend again in the most brutal of crimes and cannot be rehabilitated. A lot of the time they even admit this themselves.I agree with that, but still can’t get on board with state issued death. The money argument is flawed as the whole death row process costs the taxpayer a lot more than if they were to play out their life in imprisonment.
Quote:I’m kinda into questionable things though like bioethics and one planet living (which requrires aiming to reduce the human population by a minimum of a third, the ensure (subject to global disasters, which WILL happen at some point, that’s a fact) the sustainability of the human race itself and to preserve biodiversity and necessary resources. But that’s just me. Call me a sociopath if you want but I can honestly say that if someone passed me a button that would randomly destroy 25% of the human race (it could be me, or a member of my family or literally anyone) I would’t hesitate to push it.For the greater good. 😉
That’s if you buy in to the argument that we truly are running out of resources. I’d be inclined to believe that we are but I can’t be sure of the facts that we are fed.
Nice one for sharing the other viewpoint though.
January 31, 2013 at 1:55 am #1266181@BioTech 521412 wrote:
You would take someone’s life and be glad about it? Honest?
Yes, totally!
That’s if you buy in to the argument that we truly are running out of resources. I’d be inclined to believe that we are but I can’t be sure of the facts that we are fed.
It is a fact, some second and first world countries are already finding water to be a commodity that is becoming more and more scarce. The next world war is likely to be fought over water. Only around 6% of the the world’s water is drinkable at any one time and the population is increasing exponentially while the resources (land, to grow crops (we are already outsourcing massively to third world countries for food productions and biofuels) water, food and living space as well as all the materials that we require to sustain our commercialist requirements). In the next 100 years we will need the equivalent of another 2 Earths to sustain us at our current level (hence once planet living).
January 31, 2013 at 2:03 am #1266179(imo ofc) we are all the same, we are all capable of heroic and/or atrocious things. people that do awful things are in unconsciousness. for whatever reason they have become regressive in terms of energies and actions, but they are essentially us; you and me, just in a different skin in a different moment. our ego will tell us that we are all separate and important and actions that affect other people gives us satisfaction. we rank ourselves against each other in terms of achievement and standards of living and our ego convinces us that this gives us more right to judge others according to the way we live. capital punishment is just another misgiving of the ego that gives us the ridiculous notion that we can justify actions against others, that our space is somehow of more worth than others and we are somehow accomplished enough to make a critical judgement against another life when the majority of us live in deep confusion, denial, selfishness etc … and our society resonates these values
of course we cause actions against each other because we have the power to, but thats another topic…
January 31, 2013 at 2:54 am #1266178@Chrispydelic 521407 wrote:
I’m all for it. I would gladly be the executioner. Some certain people will re-offend again in the most brutal of crimes and cannot be rehabilitated. A lot of the time they even admit this themselves. It’s not about blame, it’s about keeping these people incarcerated pretty much indefinitely at a massive cost to the taxpayer. Maybe it’s not their fault but that isn’t the point.
I’m kinda into questionable things though like bioethics and one planet living (which requrires aiming to reduce the human population by a minimum of a third, the ensure (subject to global disasters, which WILL happen at some point, that’s a fact) the sustainability of the human race itself and to preserve biodiversity and necessary resources. But that’s just me. Call me a sociopath if you want but I can honestly say that if someone passed me a button that would randomly destroy 25% of the human race (it could be me, or a member of my family or literally anyone) I would’t hesitate to push it.
For the greater good. 😉
Actually, it costs more money to put someone on death row (due to the expensive lawyers, lengthy appeals process, and time actually spent on death row) than it does to keep someone incarcerated for life. Look it up.
I think an organisation (ie. the government) that tells us that “killing is wrong” and then proceeds to carry out premeditated murder is nothing short of hypocritical (gasp!). Also, a lot about the death penalty seems to hinge on the existence of an afterlife, because if you’re killing someone are you really punishing them? Furtheremore, I think even with criminals like Ian Huntley or other such, shall we say “deranged” people, is it not more beneficial to study them? People do not end up that way for no reason. It would be a lot more helpful if we can understand WHY people do these horrible things, rather than just put them through some human slaughterhouse as a revenge play.
Also Chrispy: Five myths about water – Washington Post Water is reusable and there is a LOT of it. If it ever became a problem, desalinisation would become cheaper. A lot of the “resource scarcity” is actually a myth, though that shouldn’t stop us from trying to live more sustainable…
January 31, 2013 at 7:31 am #1266185“An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.”
January 31, 2013 at 9:55 am #1266176@Chrispydelic 521413 wrote:
It is a fact, some second and first world countries are already finding water to be a commodity that is becoming more and more scarce. The next world war is likely to be fought over water. Only around 6% of the the world’s water is drinkable at any one time and the population is increasing exponentially while the resources (land, to grow crops (we are already outsourcing massively to third world countries for food productions and biofuels) water, food and living space as well as all the materials that we require to sustain our commercialist requirements). In the next 100 years we will need the equivalent of another 2 Earths to sustain us at our current level (hence once planet living).
How do you know this to be true though? I’m guessing via documentaries and articles? I’m not a conspiracy nut, but you can imagine how cultivating the idea that we are running out of resources would aid in the control of people and get them on board with ensuring we have enough resources eg military invasion etc.
I’m inclined to believe it is true that resources are stretched. We need enough land to produce food after all. However, being confident enough to push a button that takes the lives of 1.75billion people is a different matter!
Sorry, going off topic a bit.
January 31, 2013 at 10:03 am #1266177@barrettone 521416 wrote:
I think an organisation (ie. the government) that tells us that “killing is wrong” and then proceeds to carry out premeditated murder is nothing short of hypocritical (gasp!). [/quote]
Exactly. “Taking a life is wrong, therefore we are going to take your life to teach you a lesson and put the world right”
Yesterday I overheard a grandmother telling her grandson that he shouldn’t hit his brother because hitting is wrong and she will hit him harder it he does. What the f**k kind of messed up message is that sending to the kid?
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