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    1984
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      anyone elses broadband been near usless this christmas? takes about 20 hours to connect to the network everytime the rooter is turned off.

      rung the help line and they rekon its flooding etc but I am sure last christmas with the extra demand the network fell down to.

      Just woundering if other folk and had any problems?

      #1233347
      General Lighting
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        Most of the cheaper home ISPs go tits up over the festive period, as does much of the 3g mobile network. Consider that people have obtained yet more gadgets (games consoles and smartphones) which often connect to the home router, also it is very common for those who “know something about computers” to be presented with the task of fixing their parents/relatives computers when doing the festive family gatherings. Often this involves downloading updates, upgrading software etc – all more traffic on the Internet…

        we are actually “running out of internet” in some respects and the ISP’s are looking for ways to charge Google, BBC etc for streaming media. Its complicated stuff mixing politics, economics and technology, and there is a lot of tinfoil ‘at conspiracies about it but the net is not some endless pool of cheap resources..

        #1233355
        1984
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          @General Lighting 413874 wrote:

          Most of the cheaper home ISPs go tits up over the festive period, as does much of the 3g mobile network. Consider that people have obtained yet more gadgets (games consoles and smartphones) which often connect to the home router, also it is very common for those who “know something about computers” to be presented with the task of fixing their parents/relatives computers when doing the festive family gatherings. Often this involves downloading updates, upgrading software etc – all more traffic on the Internet…

          we are actually “running out of internet” in some respects and the ISP’s are looking for ways to charge Google, BBC etc for streaming media. Its complicated stuff mixing politics, economics and technology, and there is a lot of tinfoil ‘at conspiracies about it but the net is not some endless pool of cheap resources..

          makes sense, bloody annoying though. Thought perhaps the snow had made it worse but thought I am a bit far south for too much impact. I am seriously tempted to get the new BT fiberoptic thingy they just installed in the town. But cannot really justify it in any way.

          oddly the 3g networks been working surprisingly well

          the future of the net is looking a bit scary, think they are going ahead with allowing people to pay for pirority traffic privilages in future. Which has really pissed me off, goes again the ethos of the whole thing.

          #1233348
          General Lighting
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            Weather does have an adverse effect – due to busted drains, every winter water mixed with gritting salt (and a fair quantity of sewage :yakk:) floods into the Openreach cabling. this can cause it to corrode (especially where it has been spliced) and the cable then becomes a semiconductor and picks up domestic and foreign radio signals which play havoc with the broadband.

            Its a complex and expensive job for Openreach to unearth the bad pieces of cable and route the circuit away from them, and they charge the ISP lots of money (as some poor bastard needs to get down the hole after bailing out the sewage) so the ISP tries everything possible to deny the problem. Getting anyone to deal with it involves a fair bit of work such as checking B-RAS profiles, line noise figures and persevering until someone gets their finger out. In some cases its cheaper for the broadband company to lose you as a customer and they know this..

            @1984 413876 wrote:

            the future of the net is looking a bit scary, think they are going ahead with allowing people to pay for pirority traffic privilages in future. Which has really pissed me off, goes again the ethos of the whole thing.

            this already happens to an extent, if you get a business broadband connection or a higher priced residential one you get faster connection and speak to English staff with lower wait times when you need to call tech support.

            I first started using the net in 1992 and TBH what has happened as much the fault of the initial idealistic users as any corporates or government. I was trying to encourage my mates in Reading from 1999-2005 or so to set up their own autonomous networks, websites etc during the good times when there was fuckloads of free resources (like companies giving away their old computer kit to anyone who would take it) – they did to an extent but got distracted by drugs (particularly ketamine)..

            now no fucker can be arsed with things like this (yes, it does mean putting some effort in, maybe pooling resources to pay for hosting) and even right-on alternative folk are lunching out their websites (over which they have full editorial control) for stuff like facebook pages and crappy mobile-phone quality video on youtube…

            #1233356
            1984
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              Weather does have an adverse effect – due to busted drains, every winter water mixed with gritting salt (and a fair quantity of sewage :yakk:) floods into the Openreach cabling. this can cause it to corrode (especially where it has been spliced) and the cable then becomes a semiconductor and picks up domestic and foreign radio signals which play havoc with the broadband.

              ewwww, must make a note never to go into that kind of work lol

              this already happens to an extent, if you get a business broadband connection or a higher priced residential one you get faster connection and speak to English staff with lower wait times when you need to call tech support.

              well this is true just seems like its gonna get a whole lot worse. But the conservatives do seem keen to invest in a high speed network so that would be good.

              I first started using the net in 1992 and TBH what has happened as much the fault of the initial idealistic users as any corporates or government. I was trying to encourage my mates in Reading from 1999-2005 or so to set up their own autonomous networks, websites etc during the good times when there was fuckloads of free resources (like companies giving away their old computer kit to anyone who would take it) – they did to an extent but got distracted by drugs (particularly ketamine)..

              now no fucker can be arsed with things like this (yes, it does mean putting some effort in, maybe pooling resources to pay for hosting) and even right-on alternative folk are lunching out their websites (over which they have full editorial control) for stuff like facebook pages and crappy mobile-phone quality video on youtube…

              Interesting stuff, I wish I had kept up to date with my PC knoledge. Used to build them when I was a kid with my eyes closed pratically, now I am totally out of date. And was always crap at programing, dont have the memory sadly 🙁

              #1233357
              1984
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                #1233349
                General Lighting
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                  @1984 413881 wrote:

                  well this is true just seems like its gonna get a whole lot worse. But the conservatives do seem keen to invest in a high speed network so that would be good.

                  they stopped UK, FR and DE all getting ISDN and free digital terminals in the 1980s because they had just privatised British Telecom and they wouldn’t invest public money in the project (actually France and Germany pressed on with most of their digital comms projects in the 1990s, but their phone companies were nationalised until the late 90s).

                  Also the Government will want a certain amount of control over a high speed network if they are the key investor, and will want a return on investment so priority on this network will go to businesses, especially online shopping and streaming media networks rather than home consumers.

                  #1233358
                  caned_monkey
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                    If you can you should always use Virgin for broadband. I know they are pants on customer service but their broadband is the nuts so i never need to contact them.

                    Internet down your phone line is theft in my opinion, they know its dosent work but they sell it to you anyway. :hopeless:

                    #1233350
                    sinner69
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                      This is what you get on a normal phone line in denmark today;

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                      at max it should be 10/1…

                      #1233353
                      DaftFader
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                        My speed test results allways crack me up …

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                        At GL – afaik we allready have an “internet 2” (not sure if it’s fully opperational yet though) It’s just reservered for govenment, unis and businesses like they tried to keep the first one for.

                        #1233351
                        sinner69
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                          @DaftFader 415076 wrote:

                          My speed test results allways crack me up …

                          1100774568.png

                          At GL – afaik we allready have an “internet 2” (not sure if it’s fully opperational yet though) It’s just reservered for govenment, unis and businesses like they tried to keep the first one for.

                          fiber optic?

                          #1233354
                          DaftFader
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                            @!sinner69! 415079 wrote:

                            fiber optic?

                            I wish :laugh_at:

                            It’s failtest – allways gives me silly scores when I blatently don’t get that download speed. 😥

                            #1233352
                            sinner69
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                              ok..ha ha

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