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the smithy is a nice place surrounded by beech trees that give it a circle feel but its a burial chamber so I am not sure thats its appropriate or a good place to observe the sun rise.
stone hendge is not a burial place and you can only guess at its original uses but it has all the elements for a gathering or happening, the sounds from inside the stones are stunning during the night and the view of the sunrise is often spectacular, the area is steeped in history and vibes added to by the many people and pagen rituels that are entertaining and colourful.
I am not sure I am ok with answering to GOD who is the ultimate LORD and I am not happy with anyone who wants to lord it over others. 😉
what do u think makes a good party in 2 a wicked “PARTY”
IMO what makes a good party is people, places and planning and what makes it wicked is when the good feeling of others is multiplyed and can be felt as a collective emotion.
we wolud love to go to illegal raves
this is a worrying term that is increasingly being used and often not countered anymore.
There is a difference between licensed and unlicensed and not all unlicensed parties are illegal, some are, some are not but wanting to go to an illegal rave probably is illegal and I would also guess promoting illegal activities is also illegal.
imo several rigs and people have fallen foul of this misconception and the ramifcations of this wrong interpration and I fear its as a big threat to freeparties
banks are akin to vampires, they dont want your money they want your life.
they didnt get where they were by being nice,
General Lighting wrote:wow – I remember getting to Castlemorton as a 20 year old just by chance as two girls at a garage in Oxford asked for a lift to a rave..its amazing TBH this sort of movement is still going 14 years later – and although we’ve lost a few people who have had negative experiences from the scene there are still those whose lives have been influenced positively even if they have now got jobs/families etc…
I was there too but I turned up with my wife and three kids and I was at the same places as you it seems ‘site’ 🙂 and if you want to bring hawkwind into it we are entering the era of freefestivals, , stonehenge or windsor, maybe were you there too. anyway thats enough name dropping but I am interested how far back other people can go.
I am still interested in the right to gather for free events for a wider comunity than just rave and on a national scale at specific times and I think its where we should be putting efforts or at least soon if they make partys impossible to happen, tbh I cant see that we will be able to continue for much longer, they are not going to put up with it IMO.
is this a thread about nothing.
Can there be such a thing as nothing or is it a concept to explain something
USE wrote:if you climbed out from your arse and werent so patronising and condescending maybe you’d get a better response. im still sorry i deleted your post, it was an error of judgement, and i should have learnt my lesson of being on here when drunk. but im obviously not a very fast learner. dont think that your veiws are too “out there” for people to comprehend (condescending much?), its the way you word them that gets people backs up. before you say it, know im a big fat kettle calling your potface black, but there you go. smoke that.I fail to see where I am being condisending, I was admiting I cant put what I want to say very well “things are complecated and its not allways easy to explain stuff in a few words,” I didnt say ‘understand’ I said “explain”
I did intend to reword this
I dont respond as much as I would like because things are complecated and its not allways easy to explain stuff in a few words, the basic cause of most problems is the same but people dont want to hear it and if people have fallen in to the soup they spit it at you. 😉
they just want to concentrate on the symptoms, we are devided and conqured, fucked and fucked over and pretty much fucked off.but I think you are making my point for me so I’ll let it stand now.
I agree you are the a pot black kettle. I have let several patronising remarks of yours go and many personal nasty remarks and they did stop me posting a while back but I am in no mood to be pushed around anymore by ******** so isnt it about time you learnt to dissagree or to put your point without venom or lay off the booze.
synchronoise wrote:Hi, i’m from Wales. But i’m no flag flyer. I am from the planet earth but I live on a pretty reservation(housing estate) in slurrey, britain and I too am NO flag flyer. greetings tho.I dont respond as much as I would like because things are complecated and its not allways easy to explain stuff in a few words, the basic cause of most problems is the same but people dont want to hear it and if people have fallen in to the soup they spit it at you. 😉
they just want to concentrate on the symptoms, we are devided and conqured, fucked and fucked over and pretty much fucked off.As far as i am aware (i’m dont know much about this event as i wasnt involved, nor was i there) NO laws were broken as s63 was fully complied with and the event did not require any form of license. however there is a lot of hear say about this private members only event but this really is not the place to discuss things.
the press have reported that it was a 5 day pop festival where tickets were being sold in london. so someone has a lot of misinformation somewhere regarding this event as this is so obviously rubbish.
cheers mate clearly this isnt the place to dissus somethings (I had thought you seemed to know something about the charges)but on the other hand I have seen people go down because of lack of discusion and they faced it alone. lack of discusion can lead to people being not only mis-informed but un-informed. its a two edged sword
there is still likely to be charges brought against people for this event and / or hefty fines imposed by the courts.
you sound very sure of this, I would be interested to know what laws were broken with this event, or what proof they have, if any.
the Police can bring charges but they have to be proven unless you plead guilty.
for what it is worth if you make a statement keep it short and clear ie. “it was a private party(friends and friends of friends) when the sec63 was issued you complied and left the site as soon as was physicaly possible” or if you are interviewed my best advice would be “no comment”, thats not easy but if they have evidence they dont need yours, they will be hoping to get you to say the wrong thing to their cleverly put questions. best of luck.
hi acidfairy I understand what YOU are saying but I think you are wrong with the point of this thread just a bit but I’ll bite.
the name freeparty IMO was coined to make it clear that it was not a Pay Party, if it is a pay party you need a license, you may Collect donations and you may collect estimated contributions of the amount that was spent as Far as I know but you are getting into an area that is hard to prove without taking on full responsibility for the organization and having all the proof and receipts.
I think you are looking back into the past with rose tinted glass’s, you say many people ignore the contribution bucket NOW but that is nothing new, people haven’t just become tight, thoughtless and troublemakers. But they are not all like that there are many people and I am talking about people that are nothing to do with the Organisation that put plenty time and effort into a freeparty without waiting to be asked and even make financial donation without being Asked or even being noticed it Seems.
Quote:free!= gratisFree = freedom to party where and when you want
The point of this thread is that we don’t have the freedom to party where and when we want, neither should we because people are fucked over by the state and behave accordingly. And to get any sort of right to have freedom we need to be free and equal. To have any chance of acting like humans we have to be treated as such and not be second class subjects.
[yes – of course there should be that freedom to gather, provided its not destroying anyone elses freedom (its part of the human rights declaration which middle englanders are trying to repeal).
but there’s no way that freedom would be given unconditionally for large male-dominated gatherings, if it did it would probably result in a bloodbath (as the gangs moved in to carve out their turf).
This is exactly what happened with the fairs and tradional customs of the middle ages; the farmworkers and apprentices formed gangs, settled old scores and fought/killed one another, young maidens were raped, stalls trashed and burned in disputes, the authorities of the day realised these “medieval chav-fests” didn’t “add value” and started making sure they were licensed.
Although fairs still exist they are heavily licensed and controlled – those who put them on are still hated (even by the youth who attend them) and also dragged down by hangers-on who get them linked with crime.
The people throw away their power by fighting amongst themselves or their own weaknesses/addictions; until that changes they will never achieve anything.
which is why I said
with allowances and arrangements to reflect modern times.
of course there are and would be problems with this freedom or any other freedom for that matter, one mans freedom can be another’s slavery,
I know all to well the problems we face because of the denial of the situation we are in and as so eloquently said by Orwell or you in your other post “61years and no social progress”, nothing fundamentally has changed we are still a dispossessed nation of slaves albeit self-catering slaves. We are in denial of the fact that we work for the upkeep of an unfair unequal society based on crime. The aristocracy are no more than a network of gangsters but they hold the highest awards and privilege that this country can bestow, and between them these now extended families not only control the land one way or another but they are in all high positions in the armed forces, the civil service(home and aboard), law enforcement and the judicial system, the control is complete from centuries of domination, relentless programming and culling. Most of the population are in denial that there is a class system or hold that it is a powerless spent force or worse still, hold them up as our heritage.
We should have the right to gather as free people and the cause of thuggery and crime that would mar this basic freedom should be tackled at the root, if middle England want to keep their hard earned rewards then they should come from equality not because they are part of a system of crime.
To complain the that the mob is making noise in the woods while sitting pretty from the proceeds of War and Empire building, conquest and subjugation of a nation, pollution and rape of the world, or by taking advantage of the land scarcity because of the theft of this land by a conquest 1000 years ago is criminal and hypocritical.
The Point is to get this basic right and end major social problems so we could gather peaceably, the class system would have to end and the situation put right.
If we want democracy, equality and freedom we have to stop this denial of a class system and demolish it.
if you want to freeparty or be able to assert the right to gather, then we have to overcome the problem GL highlights and in my opinion and I know I am in a minority we are not going to get far if we dont tackle inequality head on.
If giving the land of England back to the people of England is theft, I am quite happy to call it theft. In his zeal to defend private property, my correspondent does not stop to consider how the so-called owners of the land got hold of it. They simply seized it by force, afterwards hiring lawyers to provide them with title-deeds. In the case of the enclosure of the common lands, which was going on from about 1600 to 1850, the land-grabbers did not even have the excuse of being foreign conquerors; they were quite frankly taking the heritage of their own countrymen, upon no sort of pretext except that they had the power to do so.
Except for the few surviving commons, the high roads, the lands of the National Trust, a certain number of parks, and the sea shore below high-tide mark, every square inch of England is ‘owned’ by a few thousand families. These people are just about as useful as so many tapeworms. It is desirable that people should own their own dwelling houses, and it is probably desirable that a farmer should own as much land as he can actually farm. But the ground-landlord in a town area has no function and no excuse for existence. He is merely a person who has found out a way of milking the public while giving nothing in return. He causes rents to be higher, he makes town planning more difficult, and he excludes children from green spaces: that is literally all that he does, except to draw his in-come.man after my own heart 🙂 🙂 😉
exactly britain is a country in denial
“go home NORMANS!” ha ha ha and fuck off (willing)collaborators. 😉
ok I take all the above points and I’ll need sometime to reply to say what I think about those problems, but they don’t answer the question
should we have the right to gather unlicensed in large numbers for peaceful pursuits such as fairs and festivals at traditional times, with allowances and arrangements to reflect modern times.
please note I do not mention raves because I think that there is a bigger issue of freedom of a nation to gather without let or hindrance in peaceful human pursuits, that needs to go beyond individual freedoms of occasional annoyance that might come from such events.
On the positive side there has been a successful return to smaller, more intimate parties that have been allowed to continue.
I dont think that this is going to be the case TBH, they dont want this kind of freedom or lack of control and if the message is read as do a small party you will be alright, they will spring up everywhere and they are not going to like that, if they close one down people will go to another and they are not going to like that even more. they are not going to tolerate small ones, they might at first and to be sure some people will welcome this for different reasons some comendable some not. TBH I dont care if I am allowed to have small parties, In fact I dont find that prospect very cheery at all ungrateful sod that I am for any crumbs that my’lord throws my way but thats me. 😉
The direction of this site seems to be fine by me except the open public advertising of unlicensed parties. Public advertising of unlicensed events has always been in conflict with the Public Entertainment Licensing law but it is only recently that the authorities have been forward in pursuing it. We made hay while the sun shone but if the dinos cant get to grips with the change they will be stamped on and may set a mass extinction and not what some may hope as a thinning out, so others may prosper by the cull.
I don’t see a problem with reviews after the event if the party was private but they may beg to differ but when the new amendments come all might be different again because they are at some point going to test the Law and how we have behaved as a scene may reflect on everyone and even if you have kept within the law, those that haven’t may bring it on everyone.
The problem with this country is it is in denial, its fucked over and fucked up from which every way and the cause is not clear and it is muddied by changes that have taken place over the long 10 centuries of bloody rule, changes that came from the like of plague, empire building and world war, changes that led to rights being won back but because the cause is never tackled because of the denial of the fact we have a system that is classed and these so called freedoms are clawed back and sub-class is turned on sub-class and the upper(class)gets the pleasure and the lower(class)gets the blame, there are only two classes IMO middle is just a sub-class of lower and they are in denial if they think any different.
Britain is still under full occupation from the 1066 invasion, the denial of this allows others to be blamed, allows the symptoms to be blamed and the cause to continue.
At the moment to varying degrees some people gather monies and privilege directly from the crimes of this occupation and the so called middle-england are quite happy to benefit directly or indirectly (they want to seek some equality in the land before they get any sympathy from me.)
The same goes for the new puritans, the same for the old puritans and the civil war, DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL.
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that said GL is right to be worried by this sympton but the cause is my pet subject
I dont know all the ins and outs of this case, but they pleaded guilty to organising a party which in itself isnt a crime unless it was for profit or a public event and they didnt have a public entertainments license(PEL).
what is worring is that once again several people were persuaded to plead guilty, then again maybe they planned it to be a public event for all, advertised it as such or did it for profit or with the aim to lure people to sell them booze. I doubt that was the case and if so, if we cant get round the difference between Private and Public events then freeparties are fucked.
the question is “was this a PUBLIC Party or was it a PRIVATE Party” what evidence did they have to prove it was a Public event and would it of stood up in court, we will never know in this case but we do know that it was enough to convince the accused or they had no confidence in the legal systems justice or they just wanted to get it over and done with.
A lot is said about partys after the event and sometimes too much before but when there is a legal case very little is said about it before and after, so its very hard to learn from the experince. It would be helpful if someone involved explained what happened in detail and elaborated the procedure and evidence that led up to the trial, what made them plead guilty and any lessons that were learned.
A real shame, one of this year’s more enjoyable parties although it didn’t have the biggest attendance. Seven rigs taken with dubious legality, let’s hope they get them back OK.
which is a bit ironic as the party if you can believe the latest press release, was mistakenly IMO shut down because they thought it was to be a 5 day pop festival charging 25 pounds with an attendance of 3,500. it also claimed the event was advertised
Police, who said the rave was advertised on a number of internet sites, asked radio stations across the area to urge revellers not to attend the rave as it was being stopped
which is strange 1. no one knows any websites giving that infomation that I am aware of.
and 2. I would of imagine if they put it out on radio stations it would of led to thousands of people finding out. cant see them doing that.
the only truth is that you can not be sure of anything on the web or news.
but if they believed there own worries its no wonder they WERE heavy
I they consider a crime has taken place they could and do take equipment as evidence. you should get it back but that all depends.
They can take your stuff if they think that it will help in the abatement of a breach in the police. it should be returned after the peace has abated
and of course if you ignore a sec 63. and it is not always clear if it has been issued
losing your rig has to be a considered risk.
might depend on what price you put on your freedom to use it.
Hmm I think any of this would have a problem in a court of law. .clearly ‘paper flyers’ could be produced by anyone and it would need to be proved that the person/s! who are holding the party were responsible for the production. .and/or distribution . . .likewise if individuals take it upon themselves to use numbers (mob) to inform others. .a court will also need to determine if the ‘person’ holding the party was responsible . . and if ‘that invite was public. . or aimed at certain persons to whom that person knows. . one person can not be held responsible for another individuals actions. . for instance ‘did you know that there is going to be a party next week. .on. .at . . I do not know who it is but a freind of a freind said. . who is responsible? FREEDOM of INFORMATION. . is it so that we must gag each other. . watch out for a labour . . party . . meeting
two things here the law has been changed because it has been hard to find organizers so they have made Rigs and entertainers responsible also, and second the best way to fight while the floodgates are open is to not give them this evidence to argue in the first place. they are using flyer and internet forum postings as evidence, oh and another thing remember a judge is deciding who to believe, it was always hard for them to bring a succesful case but things have changed and the harder we make it the better, and if you want to water down that message, and people dont take it on board, more rigs will be in the same boat IMO.
please delete or tell me if I over step the mark.
Its important that we take note of the serious nature of the current situation.
In addition, while we cannot talk openly about all aspects, we do need to have some idea of what is going down so we can step carefully.I will be lending what help I can and have already, but I know some are concerned with the costs and I do not know if a donation fund to help with solicitor’s fees might be in order, I don’t know if there are any rich or kind benefactors out there. I don’t think a benefit party is a good idea though.
I can remember some big case’s in the early 90’s before the amendment that set a precedent which made it unreliable for the councils to invest money taking many to task. We are being tested now and freedom as we know its is in jeopardy.
It is important that we all make efforts to not break this law and try to keep it all-private, we don’t have any choice IMO.
and be prepared. dont advertize freeparties publicly. just because some are getting away withpublicly advertizing at the moment doesent mean that evidence is not being collected to be used at a later date.
the best defence against the license act 2003 is that your party is a private freeparty or gathering and that you take all efforts to make it so. you also need to let all your friends that are invited by what ever private means you use that it is a private affair.
its not a question of big, small, safe or unsafe areas, no one knows whats safe and isnt and if we all avoid certain areas the seemingly safe will soon become unsafe. its not about big either as small parties have fallen foul of this law before and after the amendments. At a big party of several rigs who have been careful to keep it out of the public domain and no one makes statements saying the public were invited, the councils case will not be certain and it is likely to fold because they will not want a long drawn out case they may lose and have to pay the cost. this is how it has worked in the past. the council hope to get pleas of guilty and often drop contested case’s, its not certain thats how it will go but unless we want to see an end to freeparties we need to get everyone on board just in case.
IMO we dont have any choice. mixed messages being sent are a problem and we need an united front so most people get the messagepeople are still going to party and if they are not to some extent prepared there is going to be a snowball effect and the end to freedom as we know it.
