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I can relate to some degree. I am a political prisoner here in the States. Some time back I attempted to get a passport to go to Costa Rica. The Gov. kept my money but denied me the privilege of leaving their “free” society. Soon I will journey upwards and no dictator can stop me.
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.” – *Benjamin Franklin
I can relate to some degree. I am a political prisoner here in the States. Some time back I attempted to get a passport to go to Costa Rica. The Gov. kept my money but denied me the privilege of leaving their “free” society. Soon I will journey upwards and no dictator can stop me.
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.” – *Benjamin Franklin
Quote:I’m not allowed in the US as I have been in trouble for drugs.Truly, if you’ve had a drug problem, the U.S. is the last place you’d want to visit on a long term basis.
Quote:I’m not allowed in the US as I have been in trouble for drugs.Truly, if you’ve had a drug problem, the U.S. is the last place you’d want to visit on a long term basis.
Quote:The guy Michel sounds abit of a power mad guy and the cult/commune sounds abit unhealthy but this is no diffrent to some hippy communes and squater communes.Hi Mr. AHC,
If you had a bit more to go by then what has been said here, or what you have imagined, you may not put things as you have. I’ve known the guy for almost 20 years, and power hungry does not at all fit in the picture. Also, if you were to come here to visit, as the FBI and State Police have done, you may exclaim as they did; that if all communities were as this one, the world would be a better, more livable place.
Quote:The guy Michel sounds abit of a power mad guy and the cult/commune sounds abit unhealthy but this is no diffrent to some hippy communes and squater communes.Hi Mr. AHC,
If you had a bit more to go by then what has been said here, or what you have imagined, you may not put things as you have. I’ve known the guy for almost 20 years, and power hungry does not at all fit in the picture. Also, if you were to come here to visit, as the FBI and State Police have done, you may exclaim as they did; that if all communities were as this one, the world would be a better, more livable place.
djprocess wrote:WTF? looks ive missed a lot since ive been away. I cant belive someone has come on here to argue thier case.. how do you reason with the brainwashed or mentally insane? its impossible.Yes, I fully understand what you are saying DJ. I’ve been on numerous forums in the last couple weeks. No matter how many times I say that we did not predict the world to end, the brainwashed people cannot believe me. No matter how many times I say nothing immoral or illegal happened here, they refuse to listen. It is as if they have their ears plugged and are not even listening. No matter how many times I say that the return of Christ has already taken place, they resort to the years of pre-programing from their pastors, which tells them a man in the sky will whisk them off to a petting zoo in the heavens where they can all gorge themselves 24/7 at an all you can eat smorgasbord.
Surely DJ it can seem frustrating.
Terry
“There is nothing new in the world, except the history you do not know.” Harry Trumandjprocess wrote:WTF? looks ive missed a lot since ive been away. I cant belive someone has come on here to argue thier case.. how do you reason with the brainwashed or mentally insane? its impossible.Yes, I fully understand what you are saying DJ. I’ve been on numerous forums in the last couple weeks. No matter how many times I say that we did not predict the world to end, the brainwashed people cannot believe me. No matter how many times I say nothing immoral or illegal happened here, they refuse to listen. It is as if they have their ears plugged and are not even listening. No matter how many times I say that the return of Christ has already taken place, they resort to the years of pre-programing from their pastors, which tells them a man in the sky will whisk them off to a petting zoo in the heavens where they can all gorge themselves 24/7 at an all you can eat smorgasbord.
Surely DJ it can seem frustrating.
Terry
“There is nothing new in the world, except the history you do not know.” Harry TrumanI came to your forum to have dialog about the “End of the World Cult” film that was spoken of in one of your threads. I have to freely admit though, my partying days have long passed behind me; at least from the common idea of partying. I’ve snorted all the coke, smoked all the dope, drank all the alcohol, and popped all the pills that I ever wanted to. In fact, my near death while pumped full of these intoxicants seemed to have sent me in a different direction 25 years ago.
My upbringing was anything but the American dream. Parts of our home life could have been made into a horror film. The abuse that prevailed makes my head spin when I think about it now. When I was 12 years old I decided to close myself off from society at large and trained myself to be a recluse. I got away with this until into my early 20’s
At that point in my life I began to realize that I had to interact with society to survive, but did not know how to accomplish this. I felt very stuck. More than once I stood on the freeway overpass thinking about jumping over the guard rail. There seemed to be two reasons this did not happen. First, I was too big of a wimp and could only imagine what it would be like if I did not actually die, but survived – ouch, to much pain! The second reason were the hidden hands which prevented me from going over.
I had moved to Alaska in 1980 and my guilty conscience drove me to cry out to the Almighty, if indeed he existed, for some kind of resolution in my life. Not long after this, events started taking place which I could not explain in any manner than that of a kind Father taking care of me.
Now, instead of the sound of 10,000 watts of music blaring away helping me to find peace, I party in a different manner – if I can use the word “party”. I’m not saying I don’t love music, quite the opposite is true. In fact this morning, as with many other mornings, I was awakened with the song of my special creator friend singing to me in my mind before I was even awake, and while was waking up. It was very precious to me.
The words follow to that song; “Where you are” follow.
“If the light in your sky fades, and darkness falls upon your face.
When it seems you’ve lost your way, and you can’t take another day
I will calm all your fears, I will dry all your tears,
You’ll see, it doesn’t matter near or far, right next door or too the stars,
my heart’s already, where you are.”This is the answer to why I am here,
ElishaI came to your forum to have dialog about the “End of the World Cult” film that was spoken of in one of your threads. I have to freely admit though, my partying days have long passed behind me; at least from the common idea of partying. I’ve snorted all the coke, smoked all the dope, drank all the alcohol, and popped all the pills that I ever wanted to. In fact, my near death while pumped full of these intoxicants seemed to have sent me in a different direction 25 years ago.
My upbringing was anything but the American dream. Parts of our home life could have been made into a horror film. The abuse that prevailed makes my head spin when I think about it now. When I was 12 years old I decided to close myself off from society at large and trained myself to be a recluse. I got away with this until into my early 20’s
At that point in my life I began to realize that I had to interact with society to survive, but did not know how to accomplish this. I felt very stuck. More than once I stood on the freeway overpass thinking about jumping over the guard rail. There seemed to be two reasons this did not happen. First, I was too big of a wimp and could only imagine what it would be like if I did not actually die, but survived – ouch, to much pain! The second reason were the hidden hands which prevented me from going over.
I had moved to Alaska in 1980 and my guilty conscience drove me to cry out to the Almighty, if indeed he existed, for some kind of resolution in my life. Not long after this, events started taking place which I could not explain in any manner than that of a kind Father taking care of me.
Now, instead of the sound of 10,000 watts of music blaring away helping me to find peace, I party in a different manner – if I can use the word “party”. I’m not saying I don’t love music, quite the opposite is true. In fact this morning, as with many other mornings, I was awakened with the song of my special creator friend singing to me in my mind before I was even awake, and while was waking up. It was very precious to me.
The words follow to that song; “Where you are” follow.
“If the light in your sky fades, and darkness falls upon your face.
When it seems you’ve lost your way, and you can’t take another day
I will calm all your fears, I will dry all your tears,
You’ll see, it doesn’t matter near or far, right next door or too the stars,
my heart’s already, where you are.”This is the answer to why I am here,
ElishaQuote:When you heard the phone conversation with Jeff at the end, you could hear the voice of a broken man. The comments he made, it was chilling to listen to. A man who admitted that after October the 31st he no longer had anything, he burnt all his bridges with the outside world. This man has been destroyed.If you knew Jeff, you would know that what you are saying is not true. He virtually runs the web site we have up. He is very connected to the movement and his dad. You can listen to his version of the “final phone call” at this link in which he describes his perspective and why it sounded as it did. Friend, you could believe me, or you could believe your imagination of what you think is true.
Quote:Basically your a cult? Do you have to give Michael all your possessions when you join him?No, we don’t give everything to Michael in the way it is portrayed. We have willingly, voluntarily pooled our resources into one fund, on which we all are supported. Michael does not own a single thing here, and that means nothing.
Quote:He seemed to control you, its no different to all these other cults you hear of in America.If you knew how little “control” he has over us, you would be amazed. Your governments control you a million times more than Michael does us.
Quote:How can you devote your lives to some insane man, who is claiming to be a messiah.Sure, you watched a film trashing him in a very planned manner; it is not hard for me to understand why you would say what you say. On the other hand, I have observed the man for almost twenty years, and have never seen an ounce of insanity in him. I know the difference between the sane and the insane. These things have been presented in this manner to test the root spirit of a man’s heart.
Quote:When you heard the phone conversation with Jeff at the end, you could hear the voice of a broken man. The comments he made, it was chilling to listen to. A man who admitted that after October the 31st he no longer had anything, he burnt all his bridges with the outside world. This man has been destroyed.If you knew Jeff, you would know that what you are saying is not true. He virtually runs the web site we have up. He is very connected to the movement and his dad. You can listen to his version of the “final phone call” at this link in which he describes his perspective and why it sounded as it did. Friend, you could believe me, or you could believe your imagination of what you think is true.
Quote:Basically your a cult? Do you have to give Michael all your possessions when you join him?No, we don’t give everything to Michael in the way it is portrayed. We have willingly, voluntarily pooled our resources into one fund, on which we all are supported. Michael does not own a single thing here, and that means nothing.
Quote:He seemed to control you, its no different to all these other cults you hear of in America.If you knew how little “control” he has over us, you would be amazed. Your governments control you a million times more than Michael does us.
Quote:How can you devote your lives to some insane man, who is claiming to be a messiah.Sure, you watched a film trashing him in a very planned manner; it is not hard for me to understand why you would say what you say. On the other hand, I have observed the man for almost twenty years, and have never seen an ounce of insanity in him. I know the difference between the sane and the insane. These things have been presented in this manner to test the root spirit of a man’s heart.
Quote:But this is what you saw the young girls discussing!! They were saying they were happy for the world to end and they could not wait, if they were lies why would the young girls be saying it?The foundation for the Oct. 31st date was a 490 year prophecy that began in 1517. In that prophecy was the prediction of the returned Christ and his work. The prophecy ended on Oct. 31. The girls were saying they were glad it was the end of the prophecy and our special work we have been doing for the last seven years. The conversation was taken out of context. As I said, nowhere in the film does the listener hear anyone say the world would end on Oct. 31 or Dec. 15. If someone actually said that, why was it not directly in the film? Those who believed this were simply duped.
In fact, we have some of the original interview conversations of Ben Anthony asking the folk here about what we expected to take place. These audio clips are posted at this link.
Quote:The sad fact here is that in the program Michael explained the situation and you could see how it really hurt Jeff deep inside, even if they divorced before this event so it could happen. Doesn’t it seem a bit odd to you? What god would tell you to have sexual intercourse with your own child’s partner?This was another brilliant piece of slight of hand work. No, Jeff was not hurt. The film made it look like he was, but it is not so. The camera pans over to look at Jeff, but in reality, Jeff almost always sits with his head in his hands during extended meetings. Most people came away from the film thinking Jeff had just found out about the incident while it was being filmed – but this was not the case. Jeff had complete knowledge and gave consent/divorce almost a year before the BBC did that particular interview. Jeff discuses the spin doctor’s dale about this event in a statement here.
Quote:Again this is something Michael admitted to himself, is Jeff not a policeman? well was before he joined the cult?? When they were chatting to Michael about the “virgins” he said what he did, the documentary maker asked Jeff & Michael if they were aware of the state law regarding what Michael had done to the children (who also explained what happened themselves) I am sorry Elisha but that is blatant pedophilia and it is sickening that a man who treats people like this can actually be looked up at as a messiah.What Michael did was “lay down” in a bed with the girl named Healed. She tells her story of what really happened in this testimony. Michael did lay in the same bed with the young lady for a few moments but did not touch her private parts. Would these actions fit the definition of a pedophile in action? If a man does not touch the private parts of a woman, could that be considered sexual abuse or qualify as sexual in any manner?
Give this some thought for a moment. This is America, with the highest prison population per capita on the planet. Incarceration is a national pastime and economic stimulant here, that is, except for the politician and bankers. With all the investigation that has gone on with the authorities in regard to us, why woudn’t Michael be in jail if he had broken a law? The answer is that nothing that merits immorality or breaking the law has taken place.
What Michael carried out was the work of a physician to the soul. Doctors deal with naked patients all the time and it is not considered a crime. Michael was administering a type of medical treatment to the soul of a young lady who had been sexually abused by a relative years perviously. This was the purpose of the event. The whole world is full of men and women who have been abused by others. Michael has been given the work to bring, at long last, healing to their souls.
Quote:But this is what you saw the young girls discussing!! They were saying they were happy for the world to end and they could not wait, if they were lies why would the young girls be saying it?The foundation for the Oct. 31st date was a 490 year prophecy that began in 1517. In that prophecy was the prediction of the returned Christ and his work. The prophecy ended on Oct. 31. The girls were saying they were glad it was the end of the prophecy and our special work we have been doing for the last seven years. The conversation was taken out of context. As I said, nowhere in the film does the listener hear anyone say the world would end on Oct. 31 or Dec. 15. If someone actually said that, why was it not directly in the film? Those who believed this were simply duped.
In fact, we have some of the original interview conversations of Ben Anthony asking the folk here about what we expected to take place. These audio clips are posted at this link.
Quote:The sad fact here is that in the program Michael explained the situation and you could see how it really hurt Jeff deep inside, even if they divorced before this event so it could happen. Doesn’t it seem a bit odd to you? What god would tell you to have sexual intercourse with your own child’s partner?This was another brilliant piece of slight of hand work. No, Jeff was not hurt. The film made it look like he was, but it is not so. The camera pans over to look at Jeff, but in reality, Jeff almost always sits with his head in his hands during extended meetings. Most people came away from the film thinking Jeff had just found out about the incident while it was being filmed – but this was not the case. Jeff had complete knowledge and gave consent/divorce almost a year before the BBC did that particular interview. Jeff discuses the spin doctor’s dale about this event in a statement here.
Quote:Again this is something Michael admitted to himself, is Jeff not a policeman? well was before he joined the cult?? When they were chatting to Michael about the “virgins” he said what he did, the documentary maker asked Jeff & Michael if they were aware of the state law regarding what Michael had done to the children (who also explained what happened themselves) I am sorry Elisha but that is blatant pedophilia and it is sickening that a man who treats people like this can actually be looked up at as a messiah.What Michael did was “lay down” in a bed with the girl named Healed. She tells her story of what really happened in this testimony. Michael did lay in the same bed with the young lady for a few moments but did not touch her private parts. Would these actions fit the definition of a pedophile in action? If a man does not touch the private parts of a woman, could that be considered sexual abuse or qualify as sexual in any manner?
Give this some thought for a moment. This is America, with the highest prison population per capita on the planet. Incarceration is a national pastime and economic stimulant here, that is, except for the politician and bankers. With all the investigation that has gone on with the authorities in regard to us, why woudn’t Michael be in jail if he had broken a law? The answer is that nothing that merits immorality or breaking the law has taken place.
What Michael carried out was the work of a physician to the soul. Doctors deal with naked patients all the time and it is not considered a crime. Michael was administering a type of medical treatment to the soul of a young lady who had been sexually abused by a relative years perviously. This was the purpose of the event. The whole world is full of men and women who have been abused by others. Michael has been given the work to bring, at long last, healing to their souls.
Hello Folks,
I dropped in to discuss the contents of the “End of the World Cult” film that was shown over the last couple of weeks in the UK. I am one of the “brainwashed” people who live in NM at the settlement which some people call Strong City. I actually thought the people in the UK were more aware of how the media is used like a tool to achieve a particular end. Yes, the power of propaganda is an awesome thing to watch. What you saw and have commented on was not a documentary, but a fraudumentary. The film was more fiction than fact. It was very similar to the propaganda used to sway the common man before the Iraq war. In other words, skewing the facts to promote a lie.
The first lie I’d like to address was that no one from Strong City ever said the world was going to end on Oct. 31 or on Dec. 15. The narrator made that up. Watch it again and see if I’m right. Secondly, no one at Strong City ever said, desired, or planned to die. We are planning (still) to leave this sorry earth of oppressors and deceivers. The third lie was the suggestion that Michael had relations with his “daughter-in-law”. Jeff and his wife purposely divorced before the event occurred between Michael and his former daughter in law. The fourth lie was that of Michael wanting to have his way with some virgins . The purpose for the “virgins” was to pour out the plagues on the earth. I could give you a list of 30 or 40 deceptions which were presented in the film.
The film did serve a purpose though. 2000 years ago Christ came to the earth, was misrepresented, tried and crucified. A couple weeks ago, Christ came to your world, was misrepresented, abused and was killed (character assassination). It came to pass in this manner for all men to judge the Christ that God has sent. Those who know God saw His Son, those who don’t saw their own perversions imposed on someone else.
Hello Folks,
I dropped in to discuss the contents of the “End of the World Cult” film that was shown over the last couple of weeks in the UK. I am one of the “brainwashed” people who live in NM at the settlement which some people call Strong City. I actually thought the people in the UK were more aware of how the media is used like a tool to achieve a particular end. Yes, the power of propaganda is an awesome thing to watch. What you saw and have commented on was not a documentary, but a fraudumentary. The film was more fiction than fact. It was very similar to the propaganda used to sway the common man before the Iraq war. In other words, skewing the facts to promote a lie.
The first lie I’d like to address was that no one from Strong City ever said the world was going to end on Oct. 31 or on Dec. 15. The narrator made that up. Watch it again and see if I’m right. Secondly, no one at Strong City ever said, desired, or planned to die. We are planning (still) to leave this sorry earth of oppressors and deceivers. The third lie was the suggestion that Michael had relations with his “daughter-in-law”. Jeff and his wife purposely divorced before the event occurred between Michael and his former daughter in law. The fourth lie was that of Michael wanting to have his way with some virgins . The purpose for the “virgins” was to pour out the plagues on the earth. I could give you a list of 30 or 40 deceptions which were presented in the film.
The film did serve a purpose though. 2000 years ago Christ came to the earth, was misrepresented, tried and crucified. A couple weeks ago, Christ came to your world, was misrepresented, abused and was killed (character assassination). It came to pass in this manner for all men to judge the Christ that God has sent. Those who know God saw His Son, those who don’t saw their own perversions imposed on someone else.
