[DrBobski]

:cyclop_1: Hi All

Thanks for info on regulation of fuels GL i’ll make a note of that. I would imagine if you were to sit down and think about this one, you could develop good, safe and practicle methodology for ongoing bio-fuel manufacture.

Think spills (even small) dont wanna contaminate your backyard. Think about the smeg, what are you gonna do with it? etc Think safe storage, suitable vessels etc. Suitable fire extinguisher handy in store. Proctective clothing (gloves, goggles, boots not yer best trainers) and ventilation. You might even have to think about security.

Like you say GL even if you have to register and pay some duty, it’s still cheaper if it’s for your own use on the road. And a helleva lot cheaper if in gensets….. :group_hug

[DrBobski]

Hi GL,

Why in the world would you want to make a petroleum based fuel?

Using naptha or any other petroleum/mineral based fuel is illegal or at the very least excise is due on any such fuels, imagine the paper work, regulation checks, insurance, public liability etc.

In short yes it would work, although i’ve no idea if recipe is exactly the same at this stage. It could in theory make it a little more volatile (less stable). The flash point may also increase making nearer petroleum based derv, about 180 degrees farenheit, veggie oil or bio-deisel has a flash point of 350 degress farenheit. Veggie oils is also more bio-degradable (think spills, longterm effects etc). Toxicity is also down if ingested or inhaled.

My advise
Use Turpentine or dont do it at all, also dont try and sell this stuff either, legal implication are quite severe.

[DrBobski]

Hi General Lighting,
sorry I should have stated this in post. Non petroleum based white spirit is actually Turpentine… turpentine actually comes from trees. I’ve added a couple of links for info including sources but you should be able to get this from a proper old fashioned hardware shop.. Strictly speaking this is not bio-diesel, as bio diesel is regulated and guaranteed by manufacturers. Mr Diesel’s first car ran on veggie oil late 1800’s (fuckin oil companies).

Turpentine…What is it?…… Beware do not use turpentine substitute it’s mineral based i.e. petroleum based. ‘Turpentine substitute’ is what you find in DIY and Decorators shops (fuckin oil companies again, lol)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine

source 1
http://www.decoratingdirect.co.uk/viewprod/b/BIRGTURP/

source 2
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/find;a;1;ID;;eclDrill;1208

safety notes
http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/TU/turpentine.html
http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.uk/~hmc/hsci/chemicals/turpentine.html

Hope this helps. I suggest once you’ve made a batch, test it down the local car scrappy, i’m sure they’ll oblige and let you try it on some old banger.

[DrBobski]

Hi ppl, been reading this thread from beggining wonderinghowit would turn out. Seems that battery power is not exactly the most conveinient method, no matter how it’s regenerated. Solar, wind, hydro. It’s ok inverting power for small capacities but for party rigs and lighting, not really an option.

If rigs wanna go green, recycle and save money at the time. Yes i did say save money, why not try this.

Make your own deisel. Legal, safe, environmentally friendly.

In short old chip fat, get in touch with chippies and restraunts and get their old cooking oil. It will usually be in 5 gallon drums that it came in. You have to filter all the smeg out. Funnel filters for deisel are ideal. 97ml of oil add 3 ml of non petroleum based white spirit, leave for 7 days (no shaking required) and hey presto stick it in any deisel motor including your van and drive away to your hearts content. As long as you use a ‘non petroleum’ based spirit you wont have to pay excise. Works out about 20-26 pence a litre to make. very little emissions , no SO4 etc, does smell like chips a bit though.

Measurements need to be very precise, do not attempt with new oil, the constant reheating in chippies alters characteristics of vegetable oils, sunflower, groundnut etc. I also have a recipe for making top grade deisel from coconuts but they are obviously not available in quantity in uk.

You can check this out on a very small scale, your bound to have 97ml of old chip oil on the cooker. descent hardware shop can provide white spirit.

Plz dont mail me about how this works chemically or you’ll have to read through reams of stuff and listen to me shiting on for weeks.

Trust me i’m a doc it works

97ml of old oil to 3 ml non petroleum white spirit, leave for 7 days minimum, put in van, drive to secret location, fill gensets, spark up rig, partyeeeeeeee.

oh dont forget to invite me to first chip fat powered party!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh by the way, this bio-deisel can be mixed with ordinary petroleum based deisels safely and engine will run the same, some slight power loss on bio-deisel alone… estimated 1-2% loss.

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