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    General Lighting
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      I wanted to get a harder sound off that Eurodance tune I’d heard on the Groningen station (as I quite liked it to be fair) – this is very basic and sounds like something from 1980s but i was also trying to get that kind of sound (I found the arpeggio and other drums as a preset on my very basic DAW software (something called mixcraft) and I haven’t even extended the tune (there is no maxi remix) as I need to split it up whilst keeping the pitch/beats correct (it is also compressed way too much)

      how do I grab the vocals and the synth stabs out of the tune with less of the drums? can do it the other way round in Audition… is there any easy way of doing a “transformer” effect (so the vocals cut in and out) without manually adding bits of silence to the wave file (like putting splicing tape in a tape edit which is how it used to be done?)

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      #1278898
      DaftFader
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        Don’t know how to use your daw, but what you’re asknig about cutting bits out should be possible … not sure what exatly you’re trying to seperate the vocals from tho? are you talknig about seperating them in this remix, or seperating them from the lrginal track?

        #1278894
        General Lighting
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          Getting them from the original track- I’ve since obtained legit versions of it in WAV quality; curiously with two different vocalists although one might be the original songwriter. the edit crops up on compilations of “Berlin club music” but you’d be more likely to hear it on the radio or in some mainstream venue in any small German town (unless its Sunday as dancing is still forbidden in many places!)

          There is a maxi release but not sold in the UK and curiously not even on soundcloud (there are several bootlegs of the track on there which reduces some Angst I had about copyright hassles); I think Polydor has some deal with Soundcloud so they leave things alone; and both are German (I daren’t put it on youtube as the American universal group flags tracks like this immediately; and blocks it from loads of countries). Curiously record labels don’t seem to realise the EU single market exists…..

          The track is actually a Schlager/Eurodance crossover and they tolerate unofficial covers / pirate radio airplay a bit more as apparently it doesn’t get played as much on the “high brow” German stations – they tend to play classical music; news and older pop music (and sound way quieter than NL or UK as Germans don’t do loudness wars) (Schlager is a bit like EDM for the older generation :laugh_at: )

          #1278899
          DaftFader
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            Hmm the best way to get the vocals out of a tune, if you can find an instrumental of the exact song and reverse the polarity of it, and play it over the top of the song with vocals in, due to phase cancellation, providing the instramental is the exact same as in the full tune, the music vanish and you will be left with just the vocals.

            Failing that, you could try using a gate with a frequency dependent trigger, and set the trigger frequency to that of the main body of the vocals, but in all honesty, these things rarely turn out how you want them unless you manually slice things exactly where you want.

            Believe me, I’ve probably spent 1000’s of hours just cutting sections out of things over the years, and I’ve yet to find any automatic chopping thing that can do it as well as a bit of time and patience can.

            #1278895
            General Lighting
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              @DaftFader 702119 wrote:

              Believe me, I’ve probably spent 1000’s of hours just cutting sections out of things over the years, and I’ve yet to find any automatic chopping thing that can do it as well as a bit of time and patience can.

              A while back I posted this link to a 1988 mix tape from the Netherlands which was an actual spool of tape (the chaps who did it are a few years older than me and were in their late teens/20s when they made it; the mixes were played on Ferry Maats soulshow) – they mixed some of the tunes with turntables then edited the tape by hand, they had to count the beats per minute and do some maths to work out how many milimetres each beat was on the tape at 190 mm / second then cut and splice the tape sections.

              #1278897
              sinner69
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                Avery basic thing to do is to get the melody part cut out, run it through a midi sequencer, ad the sound you want turn that to a loop(turn it on and off like you want). take t the vocal bit you want, and only that, and tweek that in into the build up, then ad what ever you want to get the beat going, the main thing to do is to rip it apart and build it up like U want.

                #1278896
                General Lighting
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                  I’ve actually got an older Yamaha keyboard of the sort that modern Schlager producers still like – it was in my old family house and my sister used to play it (she is much more musically talented than I am). it has MIDI in/out – not sure if the sounds are any good for dance music other than J-Pop but I can run it through my other production mixer which has some FX unit.

                  it can store data but needs 3.5″ disks; I’d have to search the roofspace of another office to find the remaining stocks of these!

                  Last night I found a whole channel from a Danish chap playing sea shanties on the more modern version – I am downloading the videos and music so the seniors can listen to it at work)

                  Only problem is all my MIDI capable soundcards are connected to my soundprocessing; and are on a different PC to my main one for music / mixing. However a USB to midi interface is only €10 (which I can order from work and claim back from my company as I resell VOIP phone numbers and the helpdesk service) and comes with the DIN plugs already present.

                  Although the same supplier sells “MIDI” leads as well; the wiring diagram of at least one is a crossover lead (as used on 1970s tape recorders) which I think doesn’t work at all; I was surprised these leads are still sold. I could of course make up a lead that I know is correct; but I really cannot be arsed with soldering DIN plugs these days. had plenty enough of burnt fingers doing this since 1978….

                  #1278900
                  DaftFader
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                    If there’s something specific you want doing, and you’re having trouble doing it, feel free to send me over some audio clips and tell me what you need doing, and I can process them/get them as ready as I can for you to rebuild your tune with them…

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