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    Galaxzee
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      So… I know you need to have a thick skin in the music field. Plenty of people will hate your music because its not really their thing. But… like… I keep getting consistently negative feedback from one person and it isn’t even helpful. It’s like, “this mix is horrible” or, “this doesn’t even sound like music,” ….

      I wish I could actually get constructive criticism D:

      This is the song if you’re curious (a new one)

      [SOUNDCLOUD]https://soundcloud.com/blustar-sounds/flying-falling[/SOUNDCLOUD]

      #1275178
      The Psyentist
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        Heya again. Still not to my taste but again I was able to listen to the entire track. If a piece of music really upsets my ears I’ll turn it off pretty quickly usually. I think my personal issue with it is that it sounds a bit too mainstream pop dancey overall. I like the experimental part in respect of the fact you’re trying to be creative and show something different. But again it doesn’t do it for me. I wouldn’t say it is bad music it is simply a style I don’t like.

        Hopefully you won’t take that too negatively:wink:

        #1275181
        joksgez
        Participant

          yep i agree with psy, but can safely say the song is well made and is successful for the audience it is aimed at

          dont bother listening to anyone who is purely negative they are just winding you up!

          #1275173
          Izbeckistan
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            Thats art for you, its takes a very long time and multiple attemps to produce anything remotely good. If one person is saying it is shit over and over again they are just trolling.

            I checkedout your soundcloud and I like your experimental ambient stuff 🙂

            Just keep trying !

            #1275171
            Chrispydelic
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              @Galaxzee 554058 wrote:

              So… I know you need to have a thick skin in the music field. Plenty of people will hate your music because its not really their thing. But… like… I keep getting consistently negative feedback from one person and it isn’t even helpful. It’s like, “this mix is horrible” or, “this doesn’t even sound like music,” ….

              I wish I could actually get constructive criticism D:

              This is the song if you’re curious (a new one)

              [SOUNDCLOUD]https://soundcloud.com/blustar-sounds/flying-falling[/SOUNDCLOUD]

              Firstly, stop taking any notice of what whoever this person is saying. Not even music? It clearly IS music as it has all the elements that are required to make a series of sounds into music.

              As per what others have said, it’s not really the type of music that I would listen too but other than that it seems well constructed, you have a nice voice, the beats are good and it has the popularly wampy wamp dubsteppy sounds in parts of it which seem to be popular. It all sounds very well produced and the lyrics (although not to my taste) are well written and executed.

              #1275174
              MC G-Tek
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                Don’t get stressed by it mate, fuck the haters! At the end of the day, some people would rather give others a hard time than try to do anything constructive themselves – it makes them feel big and important. I’ve had a few shitty comments from people before, but as long as they’re few and far between and the vast majority like what you do, don’t let it get to you. Like I said, fuck the haters dude! Nice tune too by the way, your voice is spot on. 🙂

                #1275170
                know_hope
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                  it sounds pretty good to me. i like the contrast of styles; nice trance vibe but with glitchy dubstep elements. being honest, i’d say it sounds about 80% there. i think its difficult to make a really studio savvy mix. just keep going and listen to all the elements. the ideas feel good, it just sounds a small step away from a fully realised sound, comparing to radio. i couldn’t make this. well done 🙂

                  #1275166
                  BioTech
                  Participant

                    Hey Galaxzee, it sounds as if a few elements (Bass, vocals, piano and pads) are off key with each other and the many key changes throughout the song seem to contradict one another at points. I’m no musical theorist but that’s how it sounds to me.

                    #1275167
                    BioTech
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                      I’ll just leave you with this from Chris Howell (Luna-C, Cru-L-T and many other aliases…)

                      When dealing with the philosophical aspects of the creation of any art, there are many questions, but I think there are no universally correct answers. There are only opinions, and because art is personal, those opinions differ from one person to another. There is no right and wrong, just what is right for you or wrong for you as an individual. I am not debating a fixed theology here, just what makes for better art for the artist.

                      #1275169
                      thelog
                      Participant

                        Yeah well at least you are making progress with your music. I haven’t lifted a finger in my music life these past months. Keep going and you will find your way. : D

                        #1275183
                        Galaxzee
                        Participant

                          @The Psyentist 554059 wrote:

                          Heya again. Still not to my taste but again I was able to listen to the entire track. If a piece of music really upsets my ears I’ll turn it off pretty quickly usually. I think my personal issue with it is that it sounds a bit too mainstream pop dancey overall. I like the experimental part in respect of the fact you’re trying to be creative and show something different. But again it doesn’t do it for me. I wouldn’t say it is bad music it is simply a style I don’t like.

                          Hopefully you won’t take that too negatively:wink:

                          I don’t take it negatively at all! Everyone has different tastes; we’d be crazy to try to make something “universal” enough that everyone’s happy with it… even if you’re not personally a fan, feedback is feedback!! haha out of curiosity what kind of styles of music are your favorite? curious

                          #1275184
                          Galaxzee
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                            @joksgez 554061 wrote:

                            yep i agree with psy, but can safely say the song is well made and is successful for the audience it is aimed at

                            dont bother listening to anyone who is purely negative they are just winding you up!

                            thanks, haha… this person has been making music for like 20+ years so they have a right for an opinion, i guess– its just the way it was said. On the plus side, its made me upset and determined to prove them wrong… but they’re involved with the local production companies, which is partly why its so depressing. they’re one of the people we need to impress with our music and it isn’t working out that way so far, haha… thanks for listening.

                            #1275185
                            Galaxzee
                            Participant

                              @Izbeckistan 554062 wrote:

                              Thats art for you, its takes a very long time and multiple attemps to produce anything remotely good. If one person is saying it is shit over and over again they are just trolling.

                              I checkedout your soundcloud and I like your experimental ambient stuff 🙂

                              Just keep trying !

                              thanks! yeah gonna keep at it… I figure its good motivation to prove them wrong haha…
                              I know itll be a second til this gets to a professional skill level; but this is also our first month of producing as a group so I’m confident it can only improve from here

                              #1275175
                              MC G-Tek
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                                @Galaxzee 554146 wrote:

                                thanks, haha… this person has been making music for like 20+ years so they have a right for an opinion, i guess– its just the way it was said. On the plus side, its made me upset and determined to prove them wrong… but they’re involved with the local production companies, which is partly why its so depressing. they’re one of the people we need to impress with our music and it isn’t working out that way so far, haha… thanks for listening.

                                If they’ve been making music for 20+ years, then why don’t they give you some pointers rather than just trying to shoot you down all the time? Also, because they’ve been making so long, just wanted to check that the dickhead’s not some old rocker who wouldn’t have a first clue about anything that didn’t have screaming guitars in it? If so, kick him in the bollocks and tell him what a clueless cunt of a dinosaur he is!

                                On another note, even if he’s involved with local production companies, due to the internet, you attract a much wider, global audience than previous generations could – hell, most of us are in the UK and we’re listening!

                                #1275168
                                sinner69
                                Participant

                                  @Galaxzee 554146 wrote:

                                  thanks, haha… this person has been making music for like 20+ years so they have a right for an opinion, i guess– its just the way it was said. On the plus side, its made me upset and determined to prove them wrong… but they’re involved with the local production companies, which is partly why its so depressing. they’re one of the people we need to impress with our music and it isn’t working out that way so far, haha… thanks for listening.

                                  The net have made music bizz like this that you do not need the locals…but the locals need you…some of them just haven’t realized that yet

                                  #1275163
                                  General Lighting
                                  Moderator

                                    @MC G-Tek 554152 wrote:

                                    If they’ve been making music for 20+ years, then why don’t they give you some pointers rather than just trying to shoot you down all the time? Also, because they’ve been making so long, just wanted to check that the dickhead’s not some old rocker who wouldn’t have a first clue about anything that didn’t have screaming guitars in it? If so, kick him in the bollocks and tell him what a clueless cunt of a dinosaur he is!

                                    one of my online Dutch lessons actually uses the word “popdinosaurussen” to describe such types..

                                    the tune itself would easily make the daytime playlists of European youth orientated radio stations.

                                    The only thing it may need is slightly “clearer” mastering as mentioned in the other thread if you are aiming for this sort of airplay the target audience is often listening at work on in cars where loudness at top and midrange is more of a priority to gt the sound heard.

                                    I personally would not take any notice of so called “industry professionals” nowadays. Most of them are or were only in the business for power/money and their position and importance has been eclipsed by IT professionals as digital technology means skills are transferrable. their only use nowadays is for live performances and some studio recording but because of the bullying , misogyny and excessive drug use the industry has become associated with many councils and investors want nothing to do with the music/entertainment industry any more as its not worth the hassle. The only reason the USA is currently having a boom in EDM is the councils are skint and therefore venues are relatively cheap to hire and many European DJ’s and producers have been expressing warnings that a similar boom happened in Europe in the 1990s but was followed by a big crash due to safety incidents at large crowd events.

                                    Of course it has not made EDM disappear from Europe but its a much smaller and leaner industry now than many realise. So the big levels of management simply are not required, which makes a lot of these types very bitter as what were dream jobs to them have disappeared and they are having to get normal day jobs.

                                    In my country (UK) the commercial part of creative industries in London has been downsized to such an extent it is actually merged in with the rest of the telecoms and IT industries (when the size of it is reported to the EU etc) to make it look bigger than it actually is (so these old dinosaurs can squeeze the last bit of cash from middle class parents paying for University courses for their kids).

                                    if you want to get your music on the radio you are better off directly approaching a DJ/presenter especially on a small local or community station, especially as community stations are just starting out in the USA and will be eager to get music of all sorts.

                                    #1275179
                                    The Psyentist
                                    Participant

                                      @Galaxzee 554145 wrote:

                                      I don’t take it negatively at all! Everyone has different tastes; we’d be crazy to try to make something “universal” enough that everyone’s happy with it… even if you’re not personally a fan, feedback is feedback!! haha out of curiosity what kind of styles of music are your favorite? curious

                                      I’m a mosher/rocker converted to raver. In terms of electronic music I predominantly listen to hardstyle and a bit of dubstep every now and then. Most 80s and 90s electropop and trance is good too. I have a massively varied but peculiar taste in music. If your music makes me nod my head or even better headbang then you’ve won me over. Unfortunately your music does not have this effect on me but I’m sure it will on some; just as some of my music that I think is ace probably makes a lot of people cringe lol.

                                      #1275186
                                      Galaxzee
                                      Participant

                                        @thelog 554117 wrote:

                                        Yeah well at least you are making progress with your music. I haven’t lifted a finger in my music life these past months. Keep going and you will find your way. : D

                                        thanks :33
                                        we try to be “productive procrastinators”… if I hate a song’s guts at the moment, I’ll switch it over to my partner in crime; or start working on a different song. it helps a lot!! less roadblocks. xD

                                        #1275187
                                        Galaxzee
                                        Participant

                                          @Chrispydelic 554064 wrote:

                                          Firstly, stop taking any notice of what whoever this person is saying. Not even music? It clearly IS music as it has all the elements that are required to make a series of sounds into music.

                                          As per what others have said, it’s not really the type of music that I would listen too but other than that it seems well constructed, you have a nice voice, the beats are good and it has the popularly wampy wamp dubsteppy sounds in parts of it which seem to be popular. It all sounds very well produced and the lyrics (although not to my taste) are well written and executed.

                                          thanks! call me ridiculous but it really helps to read what people have to say about my music online. haha. if you hate it, its not so personal, and if you like it, well… hey you have no obligation to make me “feel better” so it is almost more meaningful than a friend’s compliments. haha. we still have a ways to go on this but thanks for listening ^.^

                                          #1275188
                                          Galaxzee
                                          Participant

                                            @MC G-Tek 554070 wrote:

                                            Don’t get stressed by it mate, fuck the haters! At the end of the day, some people would rather give others a hard time than try to do anything constructive themselves – it makes them feel big and important. I’ve had a few shitty comments from people before, but as long as they’re few and far between and the vast majority like what you do, don’t let it get to you. Like I said, fuck the haters dude! Nice tune too by the way, your voice is spot on. 🙂

                                            Good point… I’m gonna jump on the ‘fuck the haters’ bandwagon and just not really care anymore! Everyone has an opinion; why should I listen to the pretty much only negative feedback I’ve recieved? I think I might use what they said about certain things in the song to fix it more but the whole “you should just give up” vibe I got, well… FUCK IT. Not gonna happen. 😛

                                            Thanks for listening; this was done in one sleep deprived nighttime session so it definitely needs more work but i think its a decent start. 😀

                                            #1275189
                                            Galaxzee
                                            Participant

                                              @know_hope 554093 wrote:

                                              it sounds pretty good to me. i like the contrast of styles; nice trance vibe but with glitchy dubstep elements. being honest, i’d say it sounds about 80% there. i think its difficult to make a really studio savvy mix. just keep going and listen to all the elements. the ideas feel good, it just sounds a small step away from a fully realised sound, comparing to radio. i couldn’t make this. well done 🙂

                                              thanks! I definitely agree… this was one sitting over a sleepless night; so a couple more sessions should see it in a more finished spot. its probably a bit too early to be asking for feedback; i just felt so bad from this random negative feedback lol… feeling a bit better about it now though, so its time for some hard work in the beat lab (yeahhhh don’t laugh, I call it ‘THE BEAT LAB’) 😛

                                              #1275190
                                              Galaxzee
                                              Participant

                                                @BioTech 554096 wrote:

                                                Hey Galaxzee, it sounds as if a few elements (Bass, vocals, piano and pads) are off key with each other and the many key changes throughout the song seem to contradict one another at points. I’m no musical theorist but that’s how it sounds to me.

                                                hey! thanks for the feedback. I’d agree its not quite complete/meshed sounding… there aren’t really any key changes as far as I’m aware in the song, but as it *was* written late at night I’ll go over it and make sure, hehe. Definitely agree it needs to “mesh” better… we’ve been using some less than stellar samples; but just got a SHIT TON of better ones from a friend;;; do you think changing the actual sound of the instruments themselves might help a little with the things that don’t seem to go together?

                                                #1275191
                                                Galaxzee
                                                Participant

                                                  @MC G-Tek 554152 wrote:

                                                  If they’ve been making music for 20+ years, then why don’t they give you some pointers rather than just trying to shoot you down all the time? Also, because they’ve been making so long, just wanted to check that the dickhead’s not some old rocker who wouldn’t have a first clue about anything that didn’t have screaming guitars in it? If so, kick him in the bollocks and tell him what a clueless cunt of a dinosaur he is!

                                                  On another note, even if he’s involved with local production companies, due to the internet, you attract a much wider, global audience than previous generations could – hell, most of us are in the UK and we’re listening!

                                                  Good point…! This person actually owes their day job to me ironically. Haha. I get free entry into their shows as thanks… They’ve always been super critical of me personally, because I guess they think it drives me to succeed… they’re not a rocker at all; been into electronic music for a loooong time though. Honestly sometimes I wonder if they think I have potential, so they’re trying to piss me off into getting better. LOL.

                                                  On the other hand, I’m a sucessful gogo dancer so maybe they just want me to not focus on music instead. LOL.

                                                  #1275192
                                                  Galaxzee
                                                  Participant

                                                    @!sinner69! 554154 wrote:

                                                    The net have made music bizz like this that you do not need the locals…but the locals need you…some of them just haven’t realized that yet

                                                    Good point… America seems to be kinda way behind Europe in the music area…. we’re in the middle of our “bubble” of EDM popularity, I’m sure a lot of promoters and the like will be in big trouble once it pops.

                                                    #1275193
                                                    Galaxzee
                                                    Participant

                                                      @General Lighting 554160 wrote:

                                                      one of my online Dutch lessons actually uses the word “popdinosaurussen” to describe such types..

                                                      the tune itself would easily make the daytime playlists of European youth orientated radio stations.

                                                      The only thing it may need is slightly “clearer” mastering as mentioned in the other thread if you are aiming for this sort of airplay the target audience is often listening at work on in cars where loudness at top and midrange is more of a priority to gt the sound heard.

                                                      I personally would not take any notice of so called “industry professionals” nowadays. Most of them are or were only in the business for power/money and their position and importance has been eclipsed by IT professionals as digital technology means skills are transferrable. their only use nowadays is for live performances and some studio recording but because of the bullying , misogyny and excessive drug use the industry has become associated with many councils and investors want nothing to do with the music/entertainment industry any more as its not worth the hassle. The only reason the USA is currently having a boom in EDM is the councils are skint and therefore venues are relatively cheap to hire and many European DJ’s and producers have been expressing warnings that a similar boom happened in Europe in the 1990s but was followed by a big crash due to safety incidents at large crowd events.

                                                      Of course it has not made EDM disappear from Europe but its a much smaller and leaner industry now than many realise. So the big levels of management simply are not required, which makes a lot of these types very bitter as what were dream jobs to them have disappeared and they are having to get normal day jobs.

                                                      In my country (UK) the commercial part of creative industries in London has been downsized to such an extent it is actually merged in with the rest of the telecoms and IT industries (when the size of it is reported to the EU etc) to make it look bigger than it actually is (so these old dinosaurs can squeeze the last bit of cash from middle class parents paying for University courses for their kids).

                                                      if you want to get your music on the radio you are better off directly approaching a DJ/presenter especially on a small local or community station, especially as community stations are just starting out in the USA and will be eager to get music of all sorts.

                                                      Thankyou for taking the time to say all this!! I would definitely agree– in America, we are in the middle of our EDM “bubble” I believe… its financially beneficial to be “in charge” or a promoter right now, just because of how many mainstreamers are attracted to the industry right now. But all things come to an end and I’m actually excited for it to get “leaner” again… the music scene is always better when it is being run by the people that actually care about the music, not just whats popular… its gotten to a ridiculous level over here… dubstep… dubstep EVERYWHERE.

                                                      Not entirely sure what community stations are; but I’ll definitely research it and take a look at how I can best put forth the music I make. ^.^

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