Forums Music Sound Engineering Amplifier Wattage/ Ohms Help Needed!!!

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    chutneyjoe
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      I’ve got two sets of bass bin cabs, 2 scoops, 350watts rms per speaker, and 2 normal subs which are also 350 watts rms per speaker, i want to run all four off of one amplifier. That would mean, (and this is me guessing/assuming) that i would want 700 watts per channl rms?? Or maybe a little more than 700 watts rms so that I don’t clip it? So would I need an amplifier that could put out 1400 watts rms, or maybe 1600 watts as i’ve heard that it’s best to run an amp at around 80 to 90% full capacity and not at full.

      My other question/query is about ohms, for example I think that the ohms change depending on whether you are running 1 or 2 speakers off of 1 channel, is this right? So in my knowledge, which may quite possibly be all wrong, does that mean that one speaker on 1 amp channel would be at 8 ohms, and then when i link a second speaker to the same channel, the load would split into 2 lots of 4 ohms, so 4ohms per speaker, 4×2=8ohms??

      So if anyone can interpret this I would love to learn the knowledge, I have read around before I have posted but just keep getting confused all the time. Also as well as the wattage of the amplifier I require, could someone also tell me please how the ohms work, when you read about amplifiers online, for example, i don’t know what it means when it says a certain number of watts at ohms, and then a different value of watts at 4 ohms??

      Any help will be greatly appeciated and I hope everyone had a great christmas and good new year.

      #1265569
      BioTech
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        Just a side note: It’s not advised to run two different types of cabs over the same frequency range so you may want to consider that. You may get undesirable effects such as phase cancellation and could end up losing the “volume” that you think you might gain and making things sound a bit muddy in the process.

        Assuming the drivers in all 4 of the cabs are rated at 4r (r = resistance in ohms), you wire them in parallel and your amp can run @ 4r on each channel then your logic is sound. It is a good idea to use an amp that has a bit of headroom compared to the driver rating. Small transients in the music (resulting in peaks in power output) can be handled fairly easily by drivers, but if you are driving an amp hard at full power and you don’t keep an eye on the signal from that redlining dj then your peaks and troughs can end up as nasty clipped waves which can do some damage to a driver. More damage than boshing more than the rated output in to a driver from an amp that has a bit of reserve.

        There is plenty of reading around the internet that can be done on ohms but the ohm rating is the impedance/resistance of a driver. Wiring 2 8r drivers together in parallel would result in the amp channel seeing a 4r load. Ohm calculations can be complicated but an easy rule to remember is (provided each driver has the same ohm rating – eg 8r) then you take the impedance rating of 1 speaker and divide it by how many drivers you have wired in parallel.

        Therefore:
        1 x 8r driver will obviously be an 8r load to an amp
        2 x 8r drivers will be a 4r load
        3 x 8r drivers will be approx 2.6r load
        4 x 8r drivers will be a 2r load

        Which I hope also answers your last question as to why manufacturers give you the power rating at different ohm loads. Although the lower impedance allows more power to flow, it also puts the amp under greater stress. Some amps cannot handle being run at 2ohms a side (a channel) so make sure you check this. No amp should be bridged (channels combined) in to a 2ohm load. Also check at what frequency range the watts to ohm rating is given at as it will often be supplied in 1 or 2 ways. As you are running bass frequencies you will want to concentrate on the rating over over the whole “useable” frequency range eg 20hz – 20khz.

        So assuming you go ahead and use all four cabs you will need to check the impedance/ohm rating of the drivers. They are most likely 8ohm, so wiring them in parallel would put a 4 ohm load on each side of your amp (2 speakers on each channel).

        So with that in mind, look for an amp that can deliver over and above 700w a side @ 4ohms.

        There are more electrical minded peeps on this forum that can probably explain all this in more depth and with better accuracy than I can, but I hope this helps you. I do recommend doing some reading on the internet though.. plenty out there if you use a search engine.

        #1265573
        cheeseweasel
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          +1.

          And take note of this…

          @BioTech 518106 wrote:

          Just a side note: It’s not advised to run two different types of cabs over the same frequency range so you may want to consider that. You may get undesirable effects such as phase cancellation and could end up losing the “volume” that you think you might gain and making things sound a bit muddy in the process.

          as while it might look cool having a big stack of lots of different speakers, you’re likely to end up with a coloured sound.

          #1265567
          General Lighting
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            OK this is probably an old fashioned view but I really do not like the idea of running amps into a 2R load. It seems like one of those “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should” sort of thing…

            #1265570
            BioTech
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              Yeah, a lot of the old skool sparky types seem to have that opinion. I bow to your superior electrical knowledge GL, but from personal experience we’ve never had a problem and we’ve used both old skool Crest Ca-18s through to modern FFA high current switch modes.

              #1265571
              BioTech
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                Just re-read what I’d put. I meant 3x 8r drivers = approx 2.6r not 6.

                Typo corrected in original post.

                #1265568
                General Lighting
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                  @BioTech 518304 wrote:

                  Yeah, a lot of the old skool sparky types seem to have that opinion. I bow to your superior electrical knowledge GL, but from personal experience we’ve never had a problem and we’ve used both old skool Crest Ca-18s through to modern FFA high current switch modes.

                  Even those Crests have some ingenious circuitry (an in built variable limiter) to allow this sort of thing, as does a lot of the newer kit. Also you always made sure that the power supplies were as good as they can be.

                  However a lot of the smaller crews seem to either be using budget kit, or mix all manner of amps in the rack without checking the impedances. After you lot stopped doing events, the amount of times an East Anglian stack would cut out for some reason or other became a standing joke.

                  #1265572
                  BioTech
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                    @General Lighting 518307 wrote:

                    After you lot stopped doing events, the amount of times an East Anglian stack would cut out for some reason or other became a standing joke.

                    It doesn’t surprise me. A few years after stopping I was at a party and the rig was sounding dire. After a while of convincing someone that I knew what I was doing I took a quick look at their setup and my eyes nearly popped out of my head.

                    EDIT: and I don’t mean the quality of equipment used, as everyone has to start somewhere, I meant how it was wired up, with regards to signal and power. Knowledge is widely accessible in this day and age. I certainly don’t think I know sound inside and out and there is a lot I don’t know. It’s important to make sure you have a basic understanding before throwing a party though. Not only can you have rather embarrassing problems but you could also be risking people’s lives!

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