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    Clusterfrog
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      One of my mates (who’s tunes I’ve posted here before) sent a demo to the breakcore artist and record label ROTATOR, who then sampled his track loads and released a massively ripped off version of it!

      He wrote a letter about it to the guy which is pretty funny, and worth knowing about if you ever had any respect for ROTATOR

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      #1255919
      Gylfi Gudbjornsson
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        Copywrite infringement?

        I assume your friend is in a position were (if need be) legal action COULD be take, plagiarism and blatant copywrite infringement isn’t something taken lightly.

        #1255920
        MC G-Tek
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          @NN~Gazatryptamine 487757 wrote:

          Copywrite infringement?

          I assume your friend is in a position were (if need be) legal action COULD be take, plagiarism and blatant copywrite infringement isn’t something taken lightly.

          Well said mate, IP (intellectual property) theft is a big issue these days. My finger obviously ain’t anywhere near as on the pulse as I thought it was as I’d never heard of Rotator before this seeing this letter to him, but I’ll always swerve the thieving cunt’s shows, releases, youtube clips & anything else to do with him. What a cunt. ROTATOR? IMITATOR!

          #1255917
          DaftFader
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            Aww fuck that’s not on! I hope he’s got it copyrighted, I think if he’s posted it on sound cloud before he sent it over then that counts as some kind of copyrighting if I’m not mistaken. I’m not sure how strongly it stands up in court, but it’s at least something.

            Weyheyhey was one of my fav artists off bitcrusher, loved his ravecore tune!

            Alen should make a tune with loads of blatent ripped off samples from some big labels and send it to him as his own. Then, when he rips him off, contact the big labels and get them to deal with him. (you should pass this idea onto Alen :laugh_at:)

            #1255918
            Clusterfrog
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              Well he sent a demo so it was unreleased and therefore uncopyrighted as far as I know.. maybe he’d still have grounds to pursue him legally or whatever but as he makes it clear in his message, he’s in it for the fun and not the money so wouldn’t bother anyway, he just wanted to give the bloke a big ‘fuck you’ and let everyone know what a ripoff artist he is

              #1255916
              thelog
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                Proppa lame man.

                #1255915
                General Lighting
                Moderator

                  the law is complex but you actually get copyright on any content you create the moment its published in any form. For instance clusterfrog owns the copyright on message 5 in thread 52907 (and any others he wrote), same with anyone else on here, we do not own it even though its on the party vibe server. Similarly with tunes put on soundcloud or stored anywhere else. I hold the copyright for most of the content on my blog, where stuff has been borrowed from elsewhere its credited to the authors. I licensed the picture of the cat from the women in Northern Europe who made the font, that on its own is not copyright but the various logos are (I thought up the slogan before I found the picture))

                  but sadly I’ve found the culture of blatant theft to be much more commonplace on English EDM scenes – whereas in somewhere like NL everything is done by the book, though trance is more commonly produced with synths and vocals alone and fewer samples.

                  One really good thing I’ve noticed recently (though only unearthed it whilst listening to a recording of ASOT where unusually he presents a lot of it in Dutch rather than English) is Armin Van Buuren spends a lot of time seeking out and providing a platform for up and coming trance artists and amongst the artists associated with him there is an ethos of sharing ideas rather than competing for every last euro-cent even in this economic depression – and he is clearly bankrolling these riskier projects with his personal cash. he actually takes regular breaks from producing and releasing to keep up with stuff like his law studies and more recently fatherhood. The whole image of that scene is also made to be a lot more clean cut than other EDM scenes, it does not deny that drugs are taken but thats not whats bankrolling it, the money comes from legitimate music sales, royalties from radio airplay on more commercial stations like 538.

                  That said I think the days of musicians or anyone creative being able to pay the bills with their talent (i.e get the same as a normal full time day job) are long gone, they went in the 90s with the decline in paid-for content as well as other advances in technology, as well as the wider effects of the economic depression impacting on how many live performances/venues get licensed.

                  what remains is way more democratic and accessible and I think its better in many respects than the old days but once the current star talent gets old they will be the last of that generation what could make a living from creative endeavours alone, the best case is that the bulk of musicians, producers and DJ’s will have normal jobs but sales will subsidise the costs of making music as a hobby, whilst the jobs actually created are going to be in things like ICT and logistics associated with music scene..

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